gonzo Posted January 13 Posted January 13 12 minutes ago, wakey said: Really don't see how anyone thinks there's a way back for Evatt now. There's a chunk of the fan base will be against him now no matter what, and a bigger chunk that could only change their mind if we went on an amazing run. A team that is mentally fragile, struggled with the post Wembley "black cloud", and couldn't cope with Cambridge's fans (all in his own words) is never putting a good enough run together to change minds. No idea what Sharon's seeing differently. I'd be amazed if he pulls this back now. But there's always a chance. Quote
Eddie Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, mickbrown said: "Yes, I will take responsibility, of course" as he sacks coaches chucks players under the bus. Eejit Lip service. I’d be really interested to know whether he actually believes the things that he’s saying, or whether he’s just saying the only thing that he thinks he can do regardless His actions and words (even within that interview) contradict the fact that he takes responsibility. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, FrancisFogarty said: Or it's a massive show of loyalty and a good advert for potential managers to see a stable owner and board. And I know we're struggling on all fronts at the moment but as a club we're still moving forward. Aren't we ? Nope. We're going backwards at a rate of knots. If he stays we'll be looking over our shoulders rather than thinking about the play offs. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, gonzo said: I'd be amazed if he pulls this back now. But there's always a chance. He won't - not a chance. And the board have wasted this season with their dithering. Should have gone after Stockport at the very latest. Quote
Wanderlust Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stig said: The key for me would be getting a new manager in with enough time to add the powerful midfielder and big hold up striker needed. So only 2 additions but absolutely crucial ones if we want to make a real go of it. Yes. The current players are good on their day but there are too many that are similar to each other (presumably due to the recruitment search criteria) and we do need something different. unfortunately a powerful midfielder with quality and a dominant striker with an eye for goal are two of the most expensive vacancies to fill. Evatt has clearly recognised the need for a target man but all we could afford was Dan who was a gamble that didn’t pay off and Vic whose natural position was elsewhere. It’s times like this that we appreciate the value of a SKD or Woods type of player but they cost a fortune if they’re any good. The loan market may provide a solution and given the current squad we could make a good case for player development. We lack power and pace generally. Edited January 13 by Wanderlust Quote
FrancisFogarty Posted January 13 Posted January 13 19 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Nope. We're going backwards at a rate of knots. If he stays we'll be looking over our shoulders rather than thinking about the play offs. I meant as a football club rather than the football team. Quote
FrancisFogarty Posted January 13 Posted January 13 45 minutes ago, thebells said: TheologyWays. Isn't it about 40 days and nights since Sharon made her statement? Amen. Quote
gonzo Posted January 13 Posted January 13 24 minutes ago, mickbrown said: He won't - not a chance. And the board have wasted this season with their dithering. Should have gone after Stockport at the very latest. Agreed. It'd be a miracle. But it's not beyond the realms we can scrape enough points to mount a push for play offs. I look how utterly shit and desperate Blackpool were last season and even they had a shout of play-offs on last day. The league is a bag of shite. My biggest fear is we limp till end of season with a half empty stadium and finish mid table. Quote
Tombwfc Posted January 13 Posted January 13 We've played well maybe twice all season and somehow got 37 points. We'll be hanging around the playoffs for a while yet. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 13 Posted January 13 33 minutes ago, FrancisFogarty said: I meant as a football club rather than the football team. Fair point, but if the team fails, ultimately, the club goes backwards Quote
gonzo Posted January 13 Posted January 13 45 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: We've played well maybe twice all season and somehow got 37 points. We'll be hanging around the playoffs for a while yet. That's it. Think it'd actually be harder for us finish in the bottom half than top Quote
kent_white Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stig said: "And to make it absolutely clear I'm not delusional!" But is is rife! 😁 Where's that Simpsons meme? "Am I delusional? No, it's the supporters who are wrong" Edited January 13 by kent_white Quote
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, mickbrown said: "Yes, I will take responsibility, of course" as he sacks coaches chucks players under the bus. Eejit Good grief. That was quite a stream of unconsciousness. The guy's flailing about. Windmilling. It's really quite disturbing. He should go if only for his own health. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Casino said: and santos just for balance not advocating we play forrester as hes weak as shit I've been an advocate for Forrester and he had a tremendous game at Wycombe but he was piss weak on Saturday, bundled off it way too easily way too often Quote
RUREADY2ROLL Posted January 13 Posted January 13 12 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said: I've been an advocate for Forrester and he had a tremendous game at Wycombe but he was piss weak on Saturday, bundled off it way too easily way too often He was even worse at Stockport - we need Toal back ASAP Quote
maaarsh Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, gonzo said: That's it. Think it'd actually be harder for us finish in the bottom half than top Bloody infuriating the board think 'we might scrape in to the playoffs' is an argument for staying as we are rather than bringing in someone who might have a prayer when we get there. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 13 Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, maaarsh said: Bloody infuriating the board think 'we might scrape in to the playoffs' is an argument for staying as we are rather than bringing in someone who might have a prayer when we get there. Or if the miracle happened and we drew 3 games and won both ties on penalties for arguments sake, the thought of this squad and manager in the championship! Just in that unlikely scenario alone, its beyond poor that the owners could think this manager could be in charge of our recruitment and tactics if we ever went up. If the ambition is still the championship - how about planning ahead and trying to recruit a manager that could just give us a fighting chance of it not being an embarrassment. Quote
boltonboris Posted January 13 Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Or if the miracle happened and we drew 3 games and won both ties on penalties for arguments sake, the thought of this squad and manager in the championship! Just in that unlikely scenario alone, its beyond poor that the owners could think this manager could be in charge of our recruitment and tactics if we ever went up. If the ambition is still the championship - how about planning ahead and trying to recruit a manager that could just give us a fighting chance of it not being an embarrassment. I used to miaguidedly think we’d be alright if we went up, but when you see the quality of the attacking players and general play in the Championship and compare that with us, the difference is massive. We simply wouldn’t stand a chance without significant changes to the personnel. We’re not good enough, quick enough, powerful enough to get near them. Even the ‘shit’ teams score fantastic goals you couldn’t envisage us scoring Quote
mickbrown Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, gonzo said: That's it. Think it'd actually be harder for us finish in the bottom half than top Ian Evatt - hold my pint. Quote
kent_white Posted January 13 Posted January 13 17 minutes ago, boltonboris said: I used to miaguidedly think we’d be alright if we went up, but when you see the quality of the attacking players and general play in the Championship and compare that with us, the difference is massive. We simply wouldn’t stand a chance without significant changes to the personnel. We’re not good enough, quick enough, powerful enough to get near them. Even the ‘shit’ teams score fantastic goals you couldn’t envisage us scoring Weirdly - I think Evatt's style would suit the championship better than league 1. Albeit with some new personnel. I still think one of the best performances I've seen from us under Evatt was when we played Luton at home. We still lost like! 😁 Quote
Tombwfc Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: Weirdly - I think Evatt's style would suit the championship better than league 1. Albeit with some new personnel. I still think one of the best performances I've seen from us under Evatt was when we played Luton at home. We still lost like! 😁 Wouldn't the top teams in League One be the best guide to how we play against better opposition? No wins, no goals against the top four so far. No Fleetwood's or Burton Albion's in the Championship. We'd get dicked every week. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, gonzo said: That's it. Think it'd actually be harder for us finish in the bottom half than top If we carrying winning, drawing and losing in three games cycles we'll end up with 65 points. Last year, that was sufficient for....10th. Throw in a win in the odd remaining game and it'd be 68 points. 76 has been minimum for last play off places last three seasons. I've a feeling 72-74 might be enough to creep in so we'll still be in with a shout till last couple of games even if we keep staggering on as we are Quote
Zog1 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) “The minute I don’t think I can win it, I’ll walk away. Should have already “That is how I feel. I am a proud man. “I am not deluded. And delusion is rife in football. Delusion “I am not delusional and the minute I don’t think I can get any more out of these players then I will have that conversation with the board. They know that and I know that.” Evatt’s view after the Rotherham defeat was that some or all of his players were not living up to their end of the bargain, with the manager making mention of a “fragile mentality” within the group. Just another excuse to explain away ill conceived tactics and inflexable in game managment. Subs shouldnt be on a clock at 70 mins, you should be reading the game, the flow of movement, weaknesses. It's a dynamic thing not something planned out before hand like a WW1 battle. League 1 is fairly easy, tactics wise, you've got 2 options: 1. Two fast wingers and a target man. 2. Aggressive man in the middle with a ball playing buddy following him making through balls to wingers and a poacher And though all but one of the current first team squad were signed under his watch, the manager insists the team’s ills are not squarely his own doing. “I am taking responsibility – when have you ever not seen me take responsibility?” he said. Blaming individual players and sacking staff after a defeat is not taking responsibility, it's scapegoating. “I am one man who stands in the technical area and takes it all and takes responsibility. I am the first person who takes it for myself, my team selection and for everything else. You're the boss of the players and coaching team in the technical area, who else? “But if anyone thinks this is just me, they are wrong. It isn’t just me. This is a collective thing and collectively we need to do better and get better. And until everyone starts taking responsibility and not just me, then we will be OK.” Wrong, the is no collective responsibility YOU'RE NOT A PLAYER Fans have voiced their disapproval for Evatt before this season and unfurled banners home and away in the last tew months. The show of dissention at Rotherham was different, however, and Evatt admits the criticism cuts deep. “Absolutely it is personal, and I take it personally. I should,” he said. “I am not saying it is right or wrong, I am saying I do take it personally. But let me tell you, when the fans are singing that the football is X, Y and Z, and this and that, it isn’t me playing the football, the players should take that personally as well. And this is what I am saying about taking responsibility as a collective, it is not OK, we need to be better than that and the only way we will be better is if the truth is told. The players YOU signed play the way YOU instruct them, in a formation YOU choose, in a play style YOU play them in. “It is no good me coming out here and supporting all the time, I have been there and done that, we are on the same cycle all the time and they need to hear it, publicly. “If everyone thinks it is just me, they are wrong, it is not. It is everybody and everything.” Leave then Asked if the negativity from the terraces was making this a no-win situation for his side, Evatt added: “All I hear is excuses and not one reason. The excuse is that it’s the fans this, or negativity this, manager this – all I hear is excuses, there are no reasons. There is no way that I have set my team up to go and play like that, and I haven’t for four-and-a-half years, I haven’t. This isn’t me taking over as a manager this season and just delivering this, I have been here for four-and-a-half years, everyone has seen what I can deliver. Make of that what you will. It's not like this is a sudden phenomena, people including myself pointed out issues and the fixes for them YEARS AGO. The same reason the good teams used to beat us is EXACTLY the same reason everyone is now beating us. “It is not just about me. It is not just my fault, my problems. Yes, I will take responsibility, of course, but it is about time that these lot hear the truth and they need to hear the truth.” The truth is that you're a League 2 manager incapable of improving because you refuse to listen, your over inflated ego means you'll never understand and thus you'll never improve, you already think you know best and always have. Edited January 13 by Zog1 Quote
Traf Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Bore off Evatt, you deluded cunt. I'm the one stood in technical area with my hands in my pockets. I'm the one slumped on the bench when it starts going pear shaped. I'm the one who can only make straight one for one subs I'm the one who runs straight down the tunnel after a defeat. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 13 Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: Weirdly - I think Evatt's style would suit the championship better than league 1. Albeit with some new personnel. I still think one of the best performances I've seen from us under Evatt was when we played Luton at home. We still lost like! 😁 I enjoyed that game, but how many teams play their best games against better clubs in the FA Cup? Its just what happens, its a different mindset, from both teams, and there's a novelty factor that often makes teams raise their game. It just wouldn't translate to the weekly grind of run of the mill games against Millwall, Oxford and Cardiff, and that's without considering the games we'd have little chance in (those recently down from the Prem). Quote
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