Leyton Orient (A)

[desperado]

13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I can't decide yet. Nothing to save game after game. I've not seen today's goal yet but it sounded a bit like Trafford v Charlton, coming out indecisively and leaving himself exposed. 

TSL's kicking/distribution is on a different level to any keeper of the past. He just needs to show us he can save a few now like he did for Doncaster.

Here it is - apologies the post is from an absolute tool 

SS said he could have done better.

But he really shouldn’t have been put in that situation with poor defending. That high line again doesnt help us

[Johnnyrotten]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

I doubt it

Im sure it was at home

And i think ipswich was first game of the season?

Yes Ipswich end of July, Trafford's debut. First home games Wycombe 3-0 and Morecambe 1-0 win.  Then Vale away 0-0 when Santos got sent off.

[burnden]

 

[Johnnyrotten]

12 minutes ago, desperado said:

Here it is - apologies the post is from an absolute tool 

SS said he could have done better.

But he really shouldn’t have been put in that situation with poor defending. That high line again doesnt help us

Definitely defence more at fault than the keeper, if I was watching that as a neutral I'd only be wondering where the defence was. That goal from ACD is absolutely ridiculous, I can't recall a better one for us.

[onefinfrandsen]

4 minutes ago, desperado said:

Here it is - apologies the post is from an absolute tool 

SS said he could have done better.

But he really shouldn’t have been put in that situation with poor defending. That high line again doesnt help us

There was a chance on the other wing when cogley was dozing and they broke, the game was opening up and both teams were going for it but the sight of forino and johnston striding forward with the ball gets the nerves jangling. Acd and Conway were excellent today.

[Casino]

He signed for us January before

I know you never liked hearing how good he was

 

[Deanu]

Didn't deserve to lose at all, so it's obv great to come away with a point but it's concerning how we look to the metrics to show how little few chances we're allowing teams but are somehow conceding a lot of goals from hardly nothing. Too many players off it today really, Burstow to his credit is up against 3 centre backs all on his own so was always going to be a tough outing for whoever was stuck up as the lone striker. Morley's distribution & deliveries were just not there today at all, Randall was a passenger, Gale needs to learn how to look across to stay onside. Can't be allowing teams like that to scrub the first goal, they were basically playing for a draw at home & nearly got the win. Thank f*ck for Duberry, the lad is another Paris who's going to carry us this season hopefully over the line this time!

Edited September 13, 2025 by Deanu

[worthy10]

58 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

He's a cracking midfielder. So is Simons but neither showed it today.

Not sure about Morleys ability, generally. One of the elements that he's supposed to be an expert at is delivering a pass or cross with menace and accuracy and he was shit at that today. He's not quick, strong and can't tackle. A Bog standard mid div 1 midfielder in my book. A bargain buy, but very limited. And I know there are worse players.

[ianofcleveleys]

TSL was caught off guard by them sliding that free kick down the channel, at the beginning of the video he was positioned expecting it to be swung in. It might not have mattered if the ball down the channel hadn't also caught our player out, but from then it was a bit of a panicky, slightly too late charge out. 

Messy goal all round, the switching off to their idea was the real issue

On the no10 issue, SS has obviously binned McAtee off for it, Randall has had a run and not shown enough. Either Dempsey gets a go when ready or he finally turns to Sheehan, our best technical player for that sort of area and, although small, not as soft as Randall

[Eddie]

Groundhog day (again).

Go in for half time thinking that we’d been somewhere between the better team and dominated, seemed to be in position after position to make a chance, but due to poor decision making or poor execution, we never actually did.

Second half was a bit closer but we didn’t look like we were going to concede (other than getting away with a stonewall pen from ACD), and then we find ourselves 1-0 down.

ACD with the magic to salvage another point. A point which from a result perspective away at Orient is probably a good one, but having watched the game you think that it’s 2 points dropped, again.

I thought the midfield were unusually poor today, Morley really off it (his crossing was horrendous) but Simons also uncharacteristically sloppy as well and Burstow did very little - which wasn’t a good sign considering they’ve been some of our better players this season.

Forino and Conway were brilliant. ACD was in and out but generally very good before showing his brilliance again in the last few minutes.

JDC is now in the fucking useless camp. I thought he got unfair stick for a while but he got worse and worse last season and he’s been awful this season. The sooner we can get Christie into right back the better.

Johnston was just what we know he is. Looks ok in parts, absolutely terrible on the ball and needlessly rash. It’s got to be Forino and Toal/Taylor for a bit IMO and see how that goes.

Randall really isn’t turning into the player that I was hoping he would. For all his flaws, you expect him to be really good in tight situations in and around the penalty area, whereas actually he can’t find a 5 yard pass and never looks like a goal threat. At home I agree with others that you go 2 up top, or put Forss there as a 2nd striker. Away, I’d have Sheehan in as midfield 3. It’s currently a wasted position.

TSL is a concern. People can say the defence were at fault, but his decision making was poor and it wasn’t the first time he was caught in no-mans land either, he’s done it a few times but got away with it so far. Still think he’ll be fine, but he needs to up it.

Not losing in 7 has to be a good thing. It’s another game that we probably should have won. I’m very much in the camp of “solid start” and that things will click and that’s when the wins will flow game after game, but I’m also now thinking that a loss to Wigan means it’s a bad start and a win means it’s a good start.

It’s a huge match next week. Lets hope we’ve got some bollocks nowadays!

[Duck Egg]

48 minutes ago, desperado said:

Here it is - apologies the post is from an absolute tool 

I'll never get used to 'fans' referring to their own teams players in terms like that.  I know every club has em but what a wanker. 

Edited September 13, 2025 by Duck Egg

[Didledee]

Few things about about Duberry ...

.. he's a joy to watch and he's unpredictable, he's the sort of player that can change a game in a second, he effortlessly glides past players, he's far too good for League 1, you can't have this much talent, I'm not saying he's the next Robben or anything but he's got a bright future.

as the season progresses he'll have a bounty on him and doubled up on (you'd think), making the opposition leave space potentially for our central players, analysts for opposition will be well aware of his threat and it'll be priority to stop him, Gale is promising too, he and Cissoko know how to beat a man for fun too, countless cutbacks, crosses and shots ain't leading to goals though, so there's improvements to be had and if so, our dominate performances will eventually turn to more points, hopefully if so we don't have too much to catch up on by the time it does.

I doubt we'll see him for more than a season if we don't go up ourselves, which would be a shame.

I wish Cogley behind him would get more consistent with his threaded through balls in behind, because a lot of the time they are over-hit and go out for goal kicks and even Duberry can't latch on to them.

Terrific talent, can't be too reliant with our wing-play though( everything through them) we need more in other areas, even a 10 who's not involved as much can still effect the game with dragging players out of position with clever movement etc which will aid our wingers who are evidently our strength so far this season, a player running at a backline, having a long shot in their locker or a killer through ball or positioning to be on the end of clearances from our cutbacks and crosses is going to get opposition not knowing whether to close down, man mark or retreat, it only takes a moment of hesitancy to punish uncertainty, is it asking too much for this type in League 1? I don' think Randall so far as taken his run of games, he's not terrible, he has good aspects of his role, but like rb and lcb I think we can improve in these areas.

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, DaveTheRave said:

A point away from home is always a decent result.

 

If you want to stay up, maybe.

The average number of wins in a season for a promoted team is 27. So we need 25 wins from our remaining 38 games. There are only 19 home games left (and we've only won 50% of those so far).

It's going to come to the stage sooner than people think that draws aren't enough.

[desperado]

5 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

I'll never get used to 'fans' referring to their own teams players in terms like that.  I know every club has em but what a wanker. 

I used to get upset with folk on here. But we are generally a decent and fair bunch.

As for Facebook and Twitter, well it attracts the absolute cesspit of our fan base.

They are however a massive minority.

 

[Johnnyrotten]

55 minutes ago, Casino said:

He signed for us January before

I know you never liked hearing how good he was

 

Apologies, thought he started at start of season, I stand corrected not for the 1st time.  He was great for us but had his faults and spent a lot of games not needing to make saves because we dominated, same as his championship season with Burnley. Great character, decent shot stopper, dodgy distribution at times (like loads of keepers). TSL takes that to a different level, and with both feet.

[Arrested development]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Definitely defence more at fault than the keeper, if I was watching that as a neutral I'd only be wondering where the defence was. That goal from ACD is absolutely ridiculous, I can't recall a better one for us.

The keeper lets the ball go past him at the byline from a yard away. He is close enough to block. He should of been off his line to collect the ball but hesitated . It's just poor Goalkeeping. 

[frank_spencer]

Burstow should have done much better there. Some allowance for not being used to defense but when you're a man down it's backs to the walls and deal with it til you're back to 11

[Johnnyrotten]

53 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

Not sure about Morleys ability, generally. One of the elements that he's supposed to be an expert at is delivering a pass or cross with menace and accuracy and he was shit at that today. He's not quick, strong and can't tackle. A Bog standard mid div 1 midfielder in my book. A bargain buy, but very limited. And I know there are worse players.

Just opinions but mine is that he's quicker than he looks, whenever he has a "race" he generally wins, very quick. Passing has been so consistent this season, more than any other regular midfielder (before today). Dead balls are superb normally. Can shoot Effortlessly pings 35 yard passes as if its 10 yards. Has a football brain and doesn't get daft bookings.  League one is his level but he's good.

[Greg_BWFC]

19 minutes ago, Arrested development said:

The keeper lets the ball go past him at the byline from a yard away. He is close enough to block. He should of been off his line to collect the ball but hesitated . It's just poor Goalkeeping. 

Correct.

It's poor all around, but once he's come that far there's no point stopping and he needed to just go for the ball. 

He would've blocked it imho. 

[Eddie]

12 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Just opinions but mine is that he's quicker than he looks, whenever he has a "race" he generally wins, very quick. Passing has been so consistent this season, more than any other regular midfielder (before today). Dead balls are superb normally. Can shoot Effortlessly pings 35 yard passes as if its 10 yards. Has a football brain and doesn't get daft bookings.  League one is his level but he's good.

Where I’m at with him. He was poor today and will have other poor games, but he’s good enough to be part of a team at the top of this league.

I do think he’d be found out in the champ, he’s not got the same potential to step up as Simons, but who cares that’s for a future (hopeful) discussion.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'm struggling to blame the keeper for that. If he hadn't tried to close the attacker down I wouldn't have been impressed. Not great but not one to go in the negative column either.

Aye.

Some credit has to be given to the opposition too.

Had we scored it, we would be chuffed.

Defending can always be better, and that can be worked on, but over analysis and beating our players over it becomes counter productive.

Bigger issue is not converting openings into proper goal scoring opportunities, and then not converting the ones that do happen.

[Domcarey1]

Loads of good stuff from the game today but another missed opportunity.

Conway just gets better every week, oozes class. Duberry’s goal & performance was a thing of beauty.

After starting well & dominating the first 15 I thought midfield lost that control & Randall couldn’t get in the game. 
The 1 on 1 Randall had in the 1st half was a gift as the keeper dived to prevent the cross & he should have shot.

Big fan of Schuey but subs could have been made sooner, Burslow was spent, Randall ineffective & Gale faded.

The support was top class again today, our fans are top drawer.

[worthy10]

Regarding SS and my early impressions; like the majority of us, I was glad to see the (late) removal of IE. I was/am excited at the appointment of SS, as I expected a gear change in tactics. He inherited IE players and soon realised that generally they were not suited to what he wanted( robust & dynamic)So, we have seen many transactions in the window that I can't disagree with in general. He's moved on the correct ones, slid the correct ones down the pecking order and thanks to financial backing has recruited quality replacements. I think we need another window to de-evatt the defence.

Under SS, we play at a higher tempo and now have a better squad of players.

I'm just waiting for SS to fully convince me with in game tactics that he is as good as I hoped he would be, and I'm not totally convinced just yet.....

[gonzo]

Had 900 pints but in my clouded judgement we were by far the best team, especially in the first half.

Fell asleep for a split second and bosh.

I don't remember any sustained pressure on us.

We should've won but got away with one.

Tell me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

[Kane57]

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Had 900 pints but in my clouded judgement we were by far the best team, especially in the first half.

Fell asleep for a split second and bosh.

I don't remember any sustained pressure on us.

We should've won but got away with one.

Tell me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

You could've written same after Blackpool and it would've been equally true