Site Supporter fatolive Posted September 23, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) may well have been discussed before, but, just had a conversation with someone, who, until today was on the dole for over a year, didnt even bother trying to get a job. Now, because last week was the anniversary of said dole-itus, the social has said if you take this job, you will get, as well as your wages, ?40 per week tax free from us, reduced council tax (as if your still kind of half on the dole), and if your still in employment 12 months from now you will recieve ?150 in Asda vouchers! now, i have no way of verifying if this is true, so I was wondering a) if this is correct to start off with, b ) if true, is it a good way to get long term un-employed back to work or c) is it a piss take of all the people who have done nothing but work since they left school/ college etc, as no one reduces their council taxes or gives them asda vouchers? ps, this isn't a go at anyone on the dole who is genuinley trying to get a job, more the people who stay on the dole when there are jobs out there. Edited September 23, 2008 by fatolive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffs Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Too many people find it too cushy on the social, this is perhaps to tempt them out of it. The easier thing would be to abolish it after 12 months for everyone who is able to walk and is under the age of 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithills_gent Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 a.Don't know b.Giving people extra money to go to work is a very good incentive for them to go to work. c.A bit of a piss take.People can always get sacked,sign on and then get a new job and take the benefits themselves if they feel that strongly about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 The whole system is wrong. I was a self employed courier until July this year when I decided I couldn't continue the job due to the pain in my knees. I am currently awaiting keyhole surgery on my ligaments and cartilage in my right knee. As a self-employed worker I am entitled to next to nothing, really. I went to the Jobcentre to look for a job and at the registration interview, I was told and I quote:"If your wife works (which she does) then you'd be better off not working and put a claim in for tax Credits! Where's my incentive to work? As it happens, I'm still making enough money gambling to get by, and hopefully after the surgery in November I can get back to work. Unless one of you need a desk jockey at your place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted September 24, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 24, 2008 Traf - you need to claim Incapacity Benefit. Get a sick note. Unable to work because you are awaiting an op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) The whole system is wrong. I was a self employed courier until July this year when I decided I couldn't continue the job due to the pain in my knees. I am currently awaiting keyhole surgery on my ligaments and cartilage in my right knee. As a self-employed worker I am entitled to next to nothing, really. I went to the Jobcentre to look for a job and at the registration interview, I was told and I quote:"If your wife works (which she does) then you'd be better off not working and put a claim in for tax Credits! Where's my incentive to work? As it happens, I'm still making enough money gambling to get by, and hopefully after the surgery in November I can get back to work. Unless one of you need a desk jockey at your place! I'm looking for a cleaner ! Edited September 24, 2008 by Pablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 24, 2008 Members Share Posted September 24, 2008 I'm looking for a cleaner A cleaner what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I honestly think we should virtually scrap the welfare state for all but the neediest of cases. If you don't work,your benefits should be paid according to how much and how long you have paid into the system. Pensions likewise, the government should pay a lump sum to enable the purchase of a private pension scheme - the more you've paid in, the more this lump sum would be. The NHS should be virtually disbanded, but again a lump some paid ( how much would be dependent on how much you've paid into the system) to start a personal pension plan. The welfare state was a wonderful idea, but it's been used and abused by people who've hardly paid anything in. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 BB, I think you need to join Smiff's political party: If they and theirs can but don't put owt in then they get nowt back - simple really. Vote for Smiffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 if you are "fit for work" and you choose not to, then assistance from the government should be in the form of vouchers and not cash. The vouchers should only be able to be accepted at specific state run shops - this will stop folk frittering their welfare away on luxuries that are not required. Vouchers should only be given on a daily basis, once the "unemployed" have done a minimum of 5 hours work in the community (time off can be given for job interviews) At present, it's too easy for people to stay on the dole. Obviously, if people are not "fit for work" then something else would have to be worked out for them.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I've just watched Jeremy Kyle. Good Lord, what is wrong with this country? None of the girls know who the father of their numerous offspring is, they're all on benefits and cans of cheap lager/alcopops, and seem obsessed with having facial piercings! I will never watch it again, as it's done nowt but annoy me! Anyway, must dash, Homes under the Hammer's on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted September 24, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2008 Someone I know goes to work for 2 days a week, she does this as to cover 16 hours she needs in order to receive ?1600 a month in various benefits. It makes my fookin blood boil it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Someone I know goes to work for 2 days a week, she does this as to cover 16 hours she needs in order to receive ?1600 a month in various benefits. It makes my fookin blood boil it does. HOW MUCH?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted September 24, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2008 HOW MUCH?!?!? Ex-fuckin-zactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Someone I know goes to work for 2 days a week, she does this as to cover 16 hours she needs in order to receive ?1600 a month in various benefits. It makes my fookin blood boil it does. That's more than some folk bring home after tax, outrageous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 24, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 24, 2008 it winds me up that people can get away with it for so long after finishing uni, and after being made redundant and being out of work for 3 months, I was actively looking for work but signed on as that's what I'm entitled to do but after 2 signing on sessions they're on my back big time "why've you not found work" "am looking, got 3 interviews lined up but it's fierce, there's an IT recession at the moment" "go for an interview here" "it's a paper round, I'm a web developer" "if you don't go, we'll have to consider stopping your payment" "what about that chav who you were on first name terms with who was in the queue before me, is he going for this job" "next" job centres make me angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted September 24, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2008 That's more than some folk bring home after tax, outrageous While I'm at it, I went to our kids t'other day (he's a Jeremy Kyle type), sat on his new 3 piece leather suite, watching Sky + on his new wall mounted 42" plasma, while he tells me about the houses he has been looking at. Because of the age/sex of his multiple offspring he is now entitled to a 4/5 bedroomed house. Guess what, neither of them work, while me and Doris are struggling with the bills/mortgage etc. Fookin Grrrrrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted September 24, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 24, 2008 Someone I know goes to work for 2 days a week, she does this as to cover 16 hours she needs in order to receive ?1600 a month in various benefits. It makes my fookin blood boil it does. Must have a few kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted September 24, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2008 Must have a few kids Only 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 if you are "fit for work" and you choose not to, then assistance from the government should be in the form of vouchers and not cash. The vouchers should only be able to be accepted greggs That's why they're always full of scrotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Only 2 If they are the same gender then why do they need more than 2 bedrooms? If there's one of each why do they need more than 3? I presume you mean we are paying their rent and that we're not subsidising their mortgage. I apologise asking these questions about your kid but you did mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted September 24, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2008 If they are the same gender then why do they need more than 2 bedrooms? If there's one of each why do they need more than 3? I presume you mean we are paying their rent and that we're not subsidising their mortgage. I apologise asking these questions about your kid but you did mention it. The girl I know has 2 kids - dont know what her benefits are but I know she clears 1600pm. My brother has 4 kids, 3 girls aged 12, 6, 4 and a boy of 6 months. Eldest is now entitled to her own room, middle 2 will have to share and youngest will get his own room. We pay his rent etc and I dont know how much he gets benefits wise but they have much much more disposable income than me and Maud, hence the new suite and plasma tele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I sense a witch hunt coming on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Barry, don't be disheartened. It must piss you off, I can imagine, but you know we all know you're a good lad. Actually, I'm not sure that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted September 24, 2008 Site Supporter Share Posted September 24, 2008 Barry, don't be disheartened. It must piss you off, I can imagine, but you know we all know you're a good lad. Actually, I'm not sure that's a good thing. I cant decide if they are no good sponging scrotes though or are they no different to Traf (sorry Traf) He has a thread on risk free gambling, he knows the system, the loopholes and how to exploit them. They are basically doing the same. I've had a think and no good sponging scrotes it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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