Flannel Truscott Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Fair point, it just sticks in the craw that some folk seem to think that our club started with Rioch. Course it didn't. But the past 20 years of relative success sure did. Quote
Whites man Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I'll give you an example of disloyalty. Not moving nearer to your dying father in law when given the chance to do so. That always has had the whiff of PR spin about it, either way it has no place on a discussion like this. I see it as Ziggy has said it. If someone comes in, does a good job and leaves to go on to bigger and better things then as long as we're in a better position than when he came in he has my blessing. If I have a job, do fucking brilliantly for a couple of years and am offered a promotion, should I turn it down out of loyalty to those beneath me? Bollocks. Whilst that is totally reasonable it is not by any definition loyal. Quote
Traf Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 If I have a job, do fucking brilliantly for a couple of years Highly implausible, though. Quote
no balls Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Anyone who decides to leave us for someone else is a disloyal cunt. Didn't you know that? Now now. Anyhow, my view is Rioch never told lies & for goodness sake, it was Arsenal. Quote
Guest Blixa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 He also signed John McGinlay and Andy Walker. Anything else pales into insignificance. Except that match at Anfield. After years of being shit and watching shit, being in the away end that night made it all worthwhile. Quote
no balls Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 He also signed John McGinlay and Andy Walker. Anything else pales into insignificance. Except that match at Anfield. After years of being shit and watching shit, being in the away end that night made it all worthwhile. I do remember the first time I saw Andyt Walker. I thought, he's not a bad player him. Which at the time, I didn't often think. Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 He also signed John McGinlay and Andy Walker. Anything else pales into insignificance. Except that match at Anfield. After years of being shit and watching shit, being in the away end that night made it all worthwhile. Wasn't it Neal who signed Walker ? Quote
Whites man Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Andy Walker was a Phil Neal signing. A genuine mistake or some folk believing the club started with Rioch? Quote
paulhanley Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 The McGinlay and Lee signings were brilliant. Along with Branagan, they were his only three major signings that first year. However the ones that followed in the summer before 93/4 and 94/5 were also special. In the summer before our first season out of the lower divisions (93/4) .... Owen Coyle, Alan Thompson, Steve Fulton (!), Jimmy Phillips and Aidan Davidson. Then the summer before the big promotion season to the Prem saw some real excitement. Our first signings of players from abroad since Tad Nowak and Dusan Nikolic. Mixu, Richard Sneekes and the enigmatic Fabian De Freitas. Autumn-time he signed Simon Coleman. How brilliant was he until that dirty bastard at Derby broke his leg! Quote
no balls Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Andy Walker was a Phil Neal signing. A genuine mistake or some folk believing the club started with Rioch? Rioch bought Denis Berkamp though Go on, what's Bruce done to upset you? Quote
madthatter Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Just thinking about those times sends a shiver down my spine! I remember being proper excited about signing Andy Walker and David Lee! He always seemed to score those cut in from the right and pop one in the top left for Bury, and against us. Did Rioch sign McAteer as well or was that Neal? Edited May 28, 2012 by madthatter Quote
paulhanley Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 Just thinking about those times sends a shiver down my spine! I remember being proper excited about signing Andy Walker and David Lee! He always seemed to score those cut in from the right and pop one in the top left for Bury, and against us. Did Rioch sign McAteer as well or was that Neil? Neal signed McAteer ... and Tony Kelly, Mark Patterson, Mark Seagraves, Phil Brown, David Burke and quite a few of that promotion side Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Just thinking about those times sends a shiver down my spine! I remember being proper excited about signing Andy Walker and David Lee! He always seemed to score those cut in from the right and pop one in the top left for Bury, and against us. Did Rioch sign McAteer as well or was that Neil? Neal. Quote
passmosster Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Just thinking about those times sends a shiver down my spine! I remember being proper excited about signing Andy Walker and David Lee! He always seemed to score those cut in from the right and pop one in the top left for Bury, and against us. Did Rioch sign McAteer as well or was that Neil? Phil Neal signed McAteer from Marine for a set of shirts. He played in the Reserves with Sammy Lee, another Neal signing. Quote
exiledwhite2 Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Even given the nature of his leaving the club? Yeah, he never agitated, never took his eye off the ball. Delivered us to the top flight in his last game. And arsenal were a huge, huge club. I was sad to see him go but had not a scrap of ill feeling, personally. Just gratitude. Quote
SalfordOriginal Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Also Bruce didnt break his contract with the wanderers Quote
Walkden26 Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 Anyone with I'll feeling towards Rioch is a fool and an ungrateful sod. Why should he be loyal to Bolton when he had the offer to manage a much bigger club. He gave us some great times and that's that in my opinion. Quote
Flannel Truscott Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 That always has had the whiff of PR spin about it, either way it has no place on a discussion like this. Eh? How it can it have no place here when its a material fact in the topic being discussed. He did a great job for us, owed us no loyalty, honoured his contract and moved onto bigger things while his stock was high. All that regardless of the above. BWFC legend for me, and it would seem, everyone else apart from you. Quote
little whitt Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 That always has had the whiff of PR spin about it, either way it has no place on a discussion like this. Eh? How it can it have no place here when its a material fact in the topic being discussed. He did a great job for us, owed us no loyalty, honoured his contract and moved onto bigger things while his stock was high. All that regardless of the above. BWFC legend for me, and it would seem, everyone else apart from you. Quote
SeanBW Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 Anyone with I'll feeling towards Rioch is a fool and an ungrateful sod. Why should he be loyal to Bolton when he had the offer to manage a much bigger club. No ill feeling at all if some people would apply the same thinking to Sam Allardyce, but it seems to me that despite doing less for Bolton it was ok for Rioch to go and get his big payday at Arsenal but a huge problem when Allardyce went to Newcastle for his. If Allardyce had said he had a sick aunt in Consett perhaps some people would think he was a hero like Rioch? Quote
Ratwhite Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 ... right out of the blue as I recall. Phil Neal had been sacked and Don Mackay, Dario Gradi and Terry Cooper were the favourites with the bookies. What an absolutely brilliant and momentous decision the Rioch appointment was in the history of BWFC. Remember hearing the news on the car radio and it immediately feeling good. Dont know if someone else has already said it, but he was lucky.. Inherited the bulk of a team created by Phil Neal (who was v close to getting it right) Two signings made him. we all know who.. Quote
Flannel Truscott Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 No ill feeling at all if some people would apply the same thinking to Sam Allardyce, but it seems to me that despite doing less for Bolton it was ok for Rioch to go and get his big payday at Arsenal but a huge problem when Allardyce went to Newcastle for his. If Allardyce had said he had a sick aunt in Consett perhaps some people would think he was a hero like Rioch? Did Rioch say he was taking a break from football and turn up elsewhere within a week? Did Rioch rip apart the backroom staff by poaching people when he said he wouldn't? Did Rioch spend the previous year sticking his arse in the air for the England job? Did Rioch allegedly sign the likes of Oscar Perez for personal gain? Did Rioch have a public spat with the Chairman? Do you want me to go on? Quote
SeanBW Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 Did Rioch say he was taking a break from football and turn up elsewhere within a week? Did Rioch rip apart the backroom staff by poaching people when he said he wouldn't? Did Rioch spend the previous year sticking his arse in the air for the England job? Did Rioch allegedly sign the likes of Oscar Perez for personal gain? Did Rioch have a public spat with the Chairman? Do you want me to go on? Rioch jumped ship after 3 seasons, Allardyce was still fresh and optimistic after 3 seasons.He turned down a big payrise at Sunderland after 5 or 6 seasons IF Rioch had stayed 7 and a half seasons would he not have got disillusioned with the lack of transfer funds? In any case Rioch would probably have been sacked before he got to serve 7 1/2 seasons.In two seasons top division management Rioch was sacked twice Quote
Flannel Truscott Posted May 25, 2012 Posted May 25, 2012 How does one 'jump ship' when out of contract? Are you telling me Allardyce wouldn't have gone to Arsenal if they had come knocking after 3 years? WTF is the point of conjecturing what Rioch may or may not have thought after 7 years? Some people have some fuckin funny ideas Quote
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