Kane57 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Read this http://www.lionofviennasuite.com/2013/9/4/4693934/bolton-have-not-won-a-league-game-in-2013-without-craig-dawson Fucking frightening stuff Read that headline and then take a second to let that soak in. In the whole of 2013 (thus far), Bolton Wanderers have not won once in the league without Craig Dawson. That is the impact that one player can make. Let's take a step back for a quick second. On the 24th of January, 2013, Bolton Wanderers officially signed West Bromwich Albionand England U21 defender Craig Dawson on a three-month-long loan deal. He would make his debut for the Trotters on the 9th of February, starting in the home match against Burnley. It was a match that Bolton would ultimately win 2-1 thanks in part to Dawson's threat up front and poise at the back. Bolton would win eight of the next 11 to propel them into play-off contention. Dawson's loan ended ahead of the season's final match, a crucial clash against Blackpool at home that Bolton would ultimately draw to miss out on a chance at promotion. Ahead of Dawson's arrival at the Reebok, Bolton Wanderers hit some rocks after Dougie Freedman had largely steadied the ship upon his appointment as manager. At that point, the Trotters had won one out of their last seven, losing four of those matches. The story was much the same after Dawson's departure. Bolton Wanderers have not won a league fixture in 2013 without Craig Dawson. The defender appeared 16 times for Bolton with Wanderers losing just three times in that stretch. The last win came on the 29th of December when Bolton beat Birmingham City by a scoreline of 3-1 at the Reebok Stadium. That match was surrounded by 1-0 losses against Sheffield Wednesday and at Leeds United. In 2013, without Craig Dawson, Wanderers had lost twice and drawn four. Those totals were compounded with the current season's poor start, brining it to five losses and six draws in 2013 without Craig Dawson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Fuck off. And please telll the lov boys to do the same the defeatist Bastards. You're like Dumbo without the feather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 4, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2013 I think its more to do with a lack of confidence at the back, you build a team on a stong defence.. because the defence is weak, Dougies playing 2 defensive midfielders.. and you only win games by scoring... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Fuck off. And please telll the lov boys to do the same the defeatist Bastards. You're like Dumbo without the feather. Not an easy time to be positive about many aspects of BWFC, Gonk. I think it's an interesting link, even if you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm sorry, it's superstitious bollox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm sorry, it's superstitious bollox. Fair enough, but I think it's interesting how someone who himself was not a patch on other centre halves we've had but who still managed to lift everyone else and the team at the same time had such a direct influence on our second half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrandt Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm sorry, it's superstitious bollox. Superstitious ? Bollox. It's a reflection of how bad our defence is. 10 goals conceded in the first 5 League games. Shades of OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Gareth Bale didnt play in a winning spurs side for fucking ages. He must be well shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 puts a lot of effort in that lad pity he hasn't got a fcuking clue about soccer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Gareth Bale didnt play in a winning spurs side for fucking ages. He must be well shit How is that relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Superstitious ? Bollox. It's a reflection of how bad our defence is. 10 goals conceded in the first 5 League games. Shades of OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 And his point is? Is he trying to say we're a one mon team or is he telling us he's a sad statto? Articles like that don't half annoy me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 How is that relevant? You can work statistics to suit your argument. The fact that Dawson played nigh on every game for the Wanderers since he signed means hes highly likely to have played in all our wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 4, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 4, 2013 Fair enough, but I think it's interesting how someone who himself was not a patch on other centre halves we've had but who still managed to lift everyone else and the team at the same time had such a direct influence on our second half of the season. i think he's a decent player and not sure how you judge he isn't a patch on our other centre halves and anyway, comparisons with previous centre backs are irrelevant - question is whether he's better than the ones we had last season for me, a massive part of what he offered where his goals makes such a massive difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 He signed on 23,/01 for 3 months. I will accept th we statement that we didn't lose in those 3 months. For 6 months we haven't had his service, and for at least two of those months there wasn't any football so to start a thread saying we haven't won without him in 2013 is sensationalist bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 4, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2013 Dougie has an old sportscar, its all firing but the timings just off.. he's going to get that timing just right and then we're off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Sensationalist.... yes ("Oh my God, we're not going to win a game until we sign him back!") Fact.... yes (We LITERALLY haven't won a league game without him in 2013, that much is true) Superstitious... no, not really. Does it ultimately matter... no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 i think he's a decent player and not sure how you judge he isn't a patch on our other centre halves and anyway, comparisons with previous centre backs are irrelevant - question is whether he's better than the ones we had last season for me, a massive part of what he offered where his goals makes such a massive difference Point taken. I would like to see him back , for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 i think he's a decent player and not sure how you judge he isn't a patch on our other centre halves and anyway, comparisons with previous centre backs are irrelevant - question is whether he's better than the ones we had last season for me, a massive part of what he offered where his goals makes such a massive difference This is the main thing that we lost when Cahill went. He was a quality centre back, no doubt, but his biggest contribution was that we genuinely looked like we could score from corners and free kicks - the same was true when Dawson was playing for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 This is the main thing that we lost when Cahill went. He was a quality centre back, no doubt, but his biggest contribution was that we genuinely looked like we could score from corners and free kicks - the same was true when Dawson was playing for us.Biggest contribution? Not a chance, that was defending for both of them Small contribution - yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Dawson is a good player, and would have improved us, but it's now dear he's not coming back, we just need to move on. You would think he's of the calibre of Lionel Messi the way that some people are going on though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Surely the biggest contribution Dawson had was it proved knight is more than capable. Although I'd like to see the stats for alonso as well as I think he had a major contribution. He might not have been a colossus defender but having a regular left back who the centre backs can predict what he's going to do is massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Surely the biggest contribution Dawson had was it proved knight is more than capable. So what you're saying is, Knight CAN play well, but only if he's got some 'kid' walking/talking him through the game? He's fucking 33 years old and played 400 games for goodness sake. Making him captain is Dougie's biggest mistake so far IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Knight can play well when he doesn't have to baby sit atleast 2 other players. Unfair on tierney / baptiste but they haven't exactly started on fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylswhite Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Knight can play well when he doesn't have to baby sit atleast 2 other players. Unfair on tierney / baptiste but they haven't exactly started on fire Knight babysitting other players? That cunt couldn't babysit a goldfish. Edited September 5, 2013 by tylswhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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