HomerJay Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I wouldn't even offer Sam the job. And not because I have ill feeling towards him, I just don't think he's very good any more. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (I'm guessing you thought it was a capital idea to replace our scorers at Leicester against Boro) Maybe, just maybe, the 2 players in question aren't fit enough for 2 games in 4 days? Just playing Devil's Advocate like. Quote
Sweep Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Maybe, just maybe, the 2 players in question aren't fit enough for 2 games in 4 days? Just playing Devil's Advocate like. That maybe the case, but at this stage of the season they certainly should be Quote
Casino Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) That maybe the case, but at this stage of the season they certainly should be for me, davies has to play if it doesn't set him back moritz and davies together might be a bit much and, for me, pratley was very good yesterday beckford - i had high hopes but his misskick for the goal and an earlier fcuk up didn't scream 'i should be starting' not given up on him and hed start in front of mason but without knowing the ins n outs.... allardyce was 'guilty' of some very, very strange christmas selections in his time with us Edited January 2, 2014 by Casino Quote
bgoefc Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I wouldn't even offer Sam the job. And not because I have ill feeling towards him, I just don't think he's very good any more. hmmm. was very good for west ham two years ago and did not do too bad for em last year. This year has gone pear shaped after a decent start but they have a league cup semi and out of all the managers in the bottom 6 I think i'd choose him to get them out of trouble. Wish he'd been in charge of us in that last game at Stoke, we would not have gone down in such a spineless fashion. Quote
HomerJay Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 There is no way moritz could start two games in a week. He can barely manage 90 mins Quote
snowball Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 There is no way moritz could start two games in a week. He can barely manage 90 mins Probably right about that though I was disappointed at the time. Still don't understand Mason up front on his own at home, Chungy's automatic inclusion. Would like to think Zat Knight is only there due to desperation but I'm not even sure of that anymore. Quote
jules_darby Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Was def "unfortunate" at Blackburn and Newcastle as he was ousted by new boards who thought they knew best and both were relegated not long after getting rid Not looking good at West Ham though he's promoted and kept them up, probably shouldn't have spunked so much on carroll He'd do a job at a club where a job needs doing, but he won't be coming back to ours, not whilst ED and PG are running the show Best manager we ever had, then he left, we move on Pretty sure he led Newcastle to their (at the time) beat start in yonks But as he was Shepherd's appointment and not the Cockney mafia's, he was never going to last Quote
Guest Blixa Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) . Edited January 3, 2014 by Blixa Quote
Zico Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 There is no way moritz could start two games in a week. He can barely manage 90 mins Which is a bit shit for a player whos been with us since August or when ever the QPR game was Hope he's only being paid for one game a week Quote
Spider Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I'll pick this one up, not because I want Sam back - I don't- but under what basis does Freedman 'deserve longer'. Go on, I want to know. Is it the two home wins all season?, the constant changing of the team, which contributed to instability (I'm guessing you thought it was a capital idea to replace our scorers at Leicester against Boro), serie A type football in the hustle and bustle of the championship, or the fact we are actually worse off under Freedman than we were this time last season? Fat head is an experienced manager with success, freedman treats Bolton like it's his Swiss finishing school. I dare say this thread is given oxygen because so many of us can't help comparing chalk with cheese. Sam would be a bad idea, but certainly not as bad as freedman I bet you tut in the pub when when stories come on the news about this club or that club having had 5 managers in 4 seasons. I'm not saying freedman is perfect, far from it. But I am sick to fuck of seeing different clowns picking the team. I've seen enough from him to maybe think that he's been told to keep is up this year, and kick on from there. If we want a perfect manager, we can pick the phone up to Stamford Bridge and ask if your namesake fancies a dramatic change of direction. In the real world, I honestly cannot think of anyone I would be happy to see replace him who is REALISTICALLY likely to. That includes Sam Allardyce. I already know your response, so don't bother, by the way. Quote
jules_darby Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Enough to keep us up?? We should have enough that Spazzy Darren could manage us and we'd stay up That's not really a marker that DF is a good long term bet Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Sam did the bizzo for us because he was appointed as a young manager and got involved at every level of the running of the club. PG told a London Whites meeting in the early days exactly that - he got involved in everything. Then his policy of sports science etc paid off as did his getting Youri, JJ etc. But times have moved on. His ideas are commonplace now, and he himself is a multi millionairre, and that class of player is not available. It simply wouldn't be the same - even if he took us (or someone else) on as a pet project, the desire and impetus would not be there at 60 y.o. as opposed to 45. What we need is a new Sam....but in reality, times have moved on and lessons have been learned by all clubs. We've been hoisted by our own petard. Quote
Spider Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Sam did the bizzo for us because he was appointed as a young manager and got involved at every level of the running of the club. PG told a London Whites meeting in the early days exactly that - he got involved in everything. Then his policy of sports science etc paid off as did his getting Youri, JJ etc. But times have moved on. His ideas are commonplace now, and he himself is a multi millionairre, and that class of player is not available. It simply wouldn't be the same - even if he took us (or someone else) on as a pet project, the desire and impetus would not be there at 60 y.o. as opposed to 45. What we need is a new Sam....but in reality, times have moved on and lessons have been learned by all clubs. We've been hoisted by our own petard. Brilliant Satan Get out of THAT Sam lovers. Quote
Cheese Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I don't give a shit what happens this season, I hope we stick with Freedman. We probably won't though, and this is why I fucking hate the majority of "fans". They seem to have a 2 game memory bank. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 It's one more than Freedman seems to have. Quote
Carlos Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 If he was involved at every level then surely we should have had some players coming through the youth system? It's utter bollocks. Quote
no balls Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Sam got involved in everything. I can confirm this Quote
SatanGreavsie Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 If he was involved at every level then surely we should have had some players coming through the youth system? It's utter bollocks. Doesn't mean he was any good at every level! And besides, that was a long time ago... Quote
Carlos Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Surely everything he touches turns to gold? Quote
jules_darby Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Surely everything he touches turns to gold?The inside of brown envelopes? Quote
only1swanny Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 If he was involved at every level then surely we should have had some players coming through the youth system? It's utter bollocks. Bogdan. Nolan. Vaz te. Joey o brien. Nicky hunt. Five more than we've had in the last 5/6 years. .. Quote
Horwich Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Those didnt really come through the youth system though Quote
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