leigh white Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Go on, I will join the party, got fuck all on tomorrow, don't knock my new celtic top though. Quote
Ani Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Yes or No. Quite simply really. Everyone has their opinions. A day at the seaside, nice weather with like minded football fans sounds good to me. People who mock, as always, need to get out more. Not everyone can have your cheerful and positive attitude hence they revert to mocking others. Quote
Maggie Tate Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 I've often wondered whether the Catholic community 'honour' it or if they go in to work.  Well many Ulsterman will tell you than none of them work anyway so it makes no odds, but for many it is just treated as another day off. Perhaps they consider it to be in lieu of what they don't get for their Easter pish. I did read that about 50% of Belfast's businesses will open as per normal tomorrow, these I expect will mostly be Catholic owned and the rest will be offies and loyalist pubs. I always used to quite enjoy the 12th when I was over there, it is one of those things which is both shit and good.  Were any Catholics harmed in the making of the 2014 Southport Orange Order parades? If not, there is no requirement for complaint. Quote
Ani Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 proper on form tonight, young man! Was going to say my definition of someone who needs to get out more is someone who uses his kids email address to access a website they were banned from. Â But I did not go there. Quote
fatolive Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Well many Ulsterman will tell you than none of them work anyway so it makes no odds, but for many it is just treated as another day off. Perhaps they consider it to be in lieu of what they don't get for their Easter pish. I did read that about 50% of Belfast's businesses will open as per normal tomorrow, these I expect will mostly be Catholic owned and the rest will be offies and loyalist pubs. I always used to quite enjoy the 12th when I was over there, it is one of those things which is both shit and good. Â Were any Catholics harmed in the making of the 2014 Southport Orange Order parades? If not, there is no requirement for complaint. Monday is the bank holiday not tomorrow. What do they not get for their "Easter pish" ? Same bank holidays there as here ? Quote
Maggie Tate Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Monday is the bank holiday not tomorrow. What do they not get for their "Easter pish" ? Same bank holidays there as here ?  In Northern Ireland the 12th July is a public holiday every year. If it falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, the next Monday is a public holiday instead. There are no public holidays - yet - designed to coincide with anything Republicans want to commemorate and nor should there be. Quote
leigh white Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Being from the other creed, I like the pomp and circumstance of the marching bands, if I keep my gob shut, I should fit in. Quote
Casino Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 mags, genuine question  you use the term republicans  are there any catholic unionists?  or proddy republicans  i'm thinking there must be  how long before a united ireland? Quote
Casino Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Being from the other creed, I like the pomp and circumstance of the marching bands, if I keep my gob shut, I should fit in.   i was brought up on my grandmas wiillie baxter orange lps  cracking tunes  id love to go to southport and listen  the 'like minded folk' puts me off Quote
fatolive Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) In Northern Ireland the 12th July is a public holiday every year. If it falls on a Saturday or a Sunday, the next Monday is a public holiday instead. There are no public holidays - yet - designed to coincide with anything Republicans want to commemorate and nor should there be.Yeh I know, that's why I said the bank holiday is Monday , but my question was relating to what you referred to as " in lieu for missing Easter " as I dont think they miss any bank holidays for Easter? Edited July 11, 2014 by fatolive Quote
Maggie Tate Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 mags, genuine question  you use the term republicans  are there any catholic unionists?  or proddy republicans  i'm thinking there must be  how long before a united ireland?  Prod Republicans no  Catholic Unionists would never say it out loud, but a heavy majority of them can see what side their bread is buttered. There was some poll or other a while since, the results of which stated that about 15% of NI Catholics would take a united Ireland tomorrow and only half of them thought it was an aspiration worth anyone's priority. But for cultural reasons you'd never get a Catholic DUP voter, say. The parties don't even bother campaigning on each others' patch.  How long before a united Ireland? Ask again when the population is nearer 50-50 rather than the 58-42 ish it's been for generations. If I had to guess I wouldn't say never, but about as close to never as you can get.  Yeh I know, that's why I said the bank holiday is Monday , but my question was relating to what you referred to as " in lieu for missing Easter " as I into think they miss any bank holidays for Easter?  Well Easter is a very important time for Republicans and you might expect that they would have agitated for the rebranding of the Easter bank holiday to commemorate the 1916 rising, as is partly the case in the Republic. 'The prods have their day on the 12th, why cant we have ours' type thing. St Paddy's day is a public hol too over there I suppose but that's less for political reasons.         Quote
fatolive Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Prod Republicans no  Catholic Unionists would never say it out loud, but a heavy majority of them can see what side their bread is buttered. There was some poll or other a while since, the results of which stated that about 15% of NI Catholics would take a united Ireland tomorrow and only half of them thought it was an aspiration worth anyone's priority. But for cultural reasons you'd never get a Catholic DUP voter, say. The parties don't even bother campaigning on each others' patch.  How long before a united Ireland? Ask again when the population is nearer 50-50 rather than the 58-42 ish it's been for generations. If I had to guess I wouldn't say never, but about as close to never as you can get.   Well Easter is a very important time for Republicans and you might expect that they would have agitated for the rebranding of the Easter bank holiday to commemorate the 1916 rising, as is partly the case in the Republic. 'The prods have their day on the 12th, why cant we have ours' type thing. St Paddy's day is a public hol too over there I suppose but that's less for political reasons. Yeh fair enough, I realised you may be in about that after I posted, I was taking the catholic element of Easter religious holiday rather than the rising element and the fact the holidays are the same here as there. There are no hols attributed to the republican element of Easter that is correct You are wrong on the Protestant republican thing though, they obviously wouldn't be orange men, but republican activists both political and terrorist have been and are still known , as you probably know, the seeds of Irish republicanism were down by Protestants Quote
Maggie Tate Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 I think your last bit overstates it a bit but yes, there were some prods amongst the top boys in the early days of the Irish independence campaign (Wolfe Tone and Roger Casement most famously but the latter was converted to Catholicism by his mother without even knowing it and then knowingly converted in 1916 just before the British shot him) but since 1921 you are talking tiny numbers of turkeys prepared to vote for Christmas and in terms of actual activists, probably single figures, at least in the north. There'll be more in the south. I think there was a IRA terrorist prod from the Republic who was killed by his own bomb in Londonderry in the 70s actually, though I could be wrong.  While I think on I'm sure there was some funny link between Billy Wright being a closet Catholic or some such. I'll have to look that up. Quote
leigh white Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 To be fair, my mam was a staunch proddy who got wed to me dad who was a catholic, and all I want is a good day in Southport in the sun watching the marching bigots. Quote
fatolive Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 I think your last bit overstates it a bit but yes, there were some prods amongst the top boys in the early days of the Irish independence campaign (Wolfe Tone and Roger Casement most famously but the latter was converted to Catholicism by his mother without even knowing it and then knowingly converted in 1916 just before the British shot him) but since 1921 you are talking tiny numbers of turkeys prepared to vote for Christmas and in terms of actual activists, probably single figures, at least in the north. There'll be more in the south. I think there was a IRA terrorist prod from the Republic who was killed by his own bomb in Londonderry in the 70s actually, though I could be wrong. Â While I think on I'm sure there was some funny link between Billy Wright being a closet Catholic or some such. I'll have to look that up. Think he went born again Christian ? Evangelical type? Quote
no balls Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Think he went born again Christian ? Evangelical type?no, that's billy graham Quote
Breightmet Boy Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 y do they have bombfires It's to burn the pope on LW, it's done on the 11th and that's why the bands are usually a bit worse for wear at 11am when they start Quote
fatolive Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 It's to burn the pope on LW, it's done on the 11th and that's why the bands are usually a bit worse for wear at 11am when they start They do burn effigies of the pope, but the fires traditionally commemorate the lighting of fires to guide ships and signal troops during the williamite warAlong with the pope, they burn the Irish flag, local Gaa club emblems and images, images of local nationalist mp , effigies of Mary and other catholic symbols , the Palestinian flag , gay pride symbols and signs with racist slogans that anywhere else would get you arrested. The fires and bands are genuine tradition, the stuff that goes with it in some quarters is sectarian bullshit . In balance, the lodge master of an Antrim lodge climbed up , removed a statue of Mary and returned it to the Catholic Church it was stolen from as he didn't want associating with that behaviour, which was a brave stand to take Quote
Salford Trotter Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 They do burn effigies of the pope, but the fires traditionally commemorate the lighting of fires to guide ships and signal troops during the williamite war Along with the pope, they burn the Irish flag, local Gaa club emblems and images, images of local nationalist mp , effigies of Mary and other catholic symbols , the Palestinian flag , gay pride symbols and signs with racist slogans that anywhere else would get you arrested. The fires and bands are genuine tradition, the stuff that goes with it in some quarters is sectarian bullshit . In balance, the lodge master of an Antrim lodge climbed up , removed a statue of Mary and returned it to the Catholic Church it was stolen from as he didn't want associating with that behaviour, which was a brave stand to take Beggars belief that some folk find that acceptable behaviour...strange, very strange Quote
Youri McAnespie Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Arnold Van Keppel would no doubt approve, if he was alive today... Â Quote
bolton va va Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Why Orange and why 12 July? No idea William of Orange led the Protestant army that defeated the catholics at the Battle of the Boyne on the 12th of July. Quote
Guest Posted July 12, 2014 Posted July 12, 2014 Why Orange and why 12 July? No idea   Glorius 12th Quote
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