frank_spencer Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Id still rather have Bastian in my team than Messi. Different players but I think Schweinsteiger brings more to the team as a whole. Im not saying Messi should have scored that free kick, but he should have put it in the box rather than go for personal glory. Ronaldo is a better player overall. You cant look at goal scoring record alone. Is klose the best player ever at the world cup? He is if you go off scoring record. He's not as good as the real Ronaldo nevermind the Portuguese pretender to the name. But hes scored more goals than anyone at the world cup. Edited July 14, 2014 by frank_spencer
Garrp Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 Player of the tournament should have been given to Manuel Nauer if goalkeepers are allowed to win it. he wasn't even the best goalkeeper in the tournament ffs i know he won the golden glove but he didn't deserve it like Messi. and don't give me all this sweeper bollocks either, he very nearly cost them elimination against Algeria just for starters.
Zico Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 I agree you can't judge on one isolated moment like a free kick but I did find it pretty funny. Without question the pressure got to him and he bottled it. The other thing is after 2006 world world cup it was said he couldn't be judged on one world cup the same was said in 2010 surely after three world cups he can be judged? aye, one of the greatest ever players, just not been as influential as Maradona or Pele was at a World Cup if he was to manage that at the next one, you could call him the greatest ever
Garrp Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 aye, one of the greatest ever players, just not been as influential as Maradona or Pele was at a World Cup if he was to manage that at the next one, you could call him the greatest ever do you put him ahead of Zidane?
Traf Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 In his day, Beckham would have scored that last free kick. Neuer should have been sent off.
Zico Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 do you put him ahead of Zidane? not yet, wait and see if he wins a world cup easier to judge them when their careers are over though club wise would put him ahead with potential to do much more before he's done
jules_darby Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 Id still rather have Bastian in my team than Messi. Different players but I think Schweinsteiger brings more to the team as a whole. Im not saying Messi should have scored that free kick, but he should have put it in the box rather than go for personal glory. Ronaldo is a better player overall. You cant look at goal scoring record alone. Is klose the best player ever at the world cup? He is if you go off scoring record. He's not as good as the real Ronaldo nevermind the Portuguese pretender to the name. But hes scored more goals than anyone at the world cup. Bollocks - the lad can't win If he doesn't shoot there, he's a bottler I don;t for one second believe Messi shot there for personal glory; it was the appropriate thing for him to do it's just that the execution was poor
Walkden26 Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 he wasn't even the best goalkeeper in the tournament ffs i know he won the golden glove but he didn't deserve it like Messi. and don't give me all this sweeper bollocks either, he very nearly cost them elimination against Algeria just for starters. Who was the best keeper then? I didn't see any other keepers combining their goalkeeping duties along with sweeper duties.
Zico Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Costa Rican keeper had a good one Edited July 14, 2014 by ZicoKelly
Carlos Posted July 14, 2014 Posted July 14, 2014 Missed this: The Golden Ball and other individual awards are chosen by Fifa's Technical Study Group, a 13-strong committee which analyses matches at international tournaments. The group was set up after the 1966 World Cup to monitor trends and developments in the game. Current members include former Liverpool manager Gerard Houllier and ex-Hibernian boss Mixu Paatelainen.
Zico Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Id still rather have Bastian in my team than Messi. If it's your team frank, just pick them both
bgoefc Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 he wasn't even the best goalkeeper in the tournament ffs i know he won the golden glove but he didn't deserve it like Messi. and don't give me all this sweeper bollocks either, he very nearly cost them elimination against Algeria just for starters.[/quot His arrogance, size, confidence reminds me of Schmeichel. Whilst our keeper played like a rabbit trapped in the headlights. Defo the best keeper.
Casino Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 In his day, Beckham would have scored that last free kick. Neuer should have been sent off. he should no more have been sent off than the argie keeper who caught high balls with his foot outstretched in front of him (like siddall used to) send em both off or neither of em
MalcolmW Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Player of the tournament is an utterly meaningless media puff. It's being on the winning team that matters. The most graphic illustration of this came in the RL Challenge Cup final of 1968, when the guy who had already been chosen missed a last kick conversion from in front of the posts (it was very wet and his standing foot slipped). He carried the guilt for the rest of his life, sadly. Having said that, for a number of years I had to select 'best performance of the match' winners at the Young Athletes League matches. I consoled myself with the fact that the winners got some goods for free, and that since they could only take the award once in the 5 match series, they often weren't really the best. But the sponsors rule the roost, of course. Money talks.
jules_darby Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Player of the tournament is an utterly meaningless media puff. It's being on the winning team that matters. The most graphic illustration of this came in the RL Challenge Cup final of 1968, when the guy who had already been chosen missed a last kick conversion from in front of the posts (it was very wet and his standing foot slipped). He carried the guilt for the rest of his life, sadly. Having said that, for a number of years I had to select 'best performance of the match' winners at the Young Athletes League matches. I consoled myself with the fact that the winners got some goods for free, and that since they could only take the award once in the 5 match series, they often weren't really the best. But the sponsors rule the roost, of course. Money talks. Getting the word adidas Who have nothing at all to do with Messi of course
MalcolmW Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Getting the word adidas Who have nothing at all to do with Messi of course Coincidentally, the winners have always been adidas contracted since they began to fund the award. But there were still plenty alternative options. Since it was presented immediately after the match it must have been selected before the match ended (and before he messied up his Beckham moment). He was clearly embarrassed to have been chosen, and he went up in my estimation for that.
Garrp Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 he should no more have been sent off than the argie keeper who caught high balls with his foot outstretched in front of him (like siddall used to) send em both off or neither of em See I don't get that I don't remember the argie one so can't comment on it but it can't be either both sent odd or neither for me. there is a right decision and a wrong decision sending them both off or keeping them both on doesn't make it right you make the right decision on both whatever
Casino Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 i know all that the argie keeper didn't come anywhere near taking the head off the german attacker the german didn't go anywhere near him cos he'd have had his head smashed in bits higuain knew he was going to get clattered and didn't back out - good for him you might say fact is, the argie keepers actions were just as dangerous the fact the german had the 'sense' to stay away, meant there was no collision and no injury doesn't mean his actions weren't dangerous fwiw, id have booked em both
Garrp Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 i know all that the argie keeper didn't come anywhere near taking the head off the german attacker the german didn't go anywhere near him cos he'd have had his head smashed in bits higuain knew he was going to get clattered and didn't back out - good for him you might say fact is, the argie keepers actions were just as dangerous the fact the german had the 'sense' to stay away, meant there was no collision and no injury doesn't mean his actions weren't dangerous fwiw, id have booked em both like i said I don't remember the argie keeper one the thing that's annoying me is people saying 'well neuer got the ball' irrelevent so if he hadn't punched the ball would it then have been a foul? 'yes' bollocks, the fact he punched the ball is irrelevent its the same with those that claim a tackle can't be a foul because they got the ball that's not how it works i agree neuer was a foul and a yellow card fwiw
Walkden26 Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 like i said I don't remember the argie keeper one the thing that's annoying me is people saying 'well neuer got the ball' irrelevent so if he hadn't punched the ball would it then have been a foul? 'yes' bollocks, the fact he punched the ball is irrelevent its the same with those that claim a tackle can't be a foul because they got the ball that's not how it works i agree neuer was a foul and a yellow card fwiw Problem is though keepers are untouchable in the eyes of the ref. If a keeper plays the ball and the man it isn't seen in the same light as if an outfield player did it. Flip the coin and a striker brushes the keeper at a corner the ref can't wait to blow for a foul/ It's all bollocks!
Garrp Posted July 15, 2014 Posted July 15, 2014 Problem is though keepers are untouchable in the eyes of the ref. If a keeper plays the ball and the man it isn't seen in the same light as if an outfield player did it. Flip the coin and a striker brushes the keeper at a corner the ref can't wait to blow for a foul/ It's all bollocks! aye, spot on
Pablo Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Its not even close between Messi & Ronaldo, Messi is so far ahead, its laughable.
Guest Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Barcelona footballer Lionel Messi used UK firms to avoid £3 million in tax, Spanish prosecutors have alleged. Barcelona and Argentina footballer Messi and his father are being investigated in Spain for allegedly defrauding the state of more than €4 million (£3 million) in tax. Documents recently filed with spanish courts alleged the footballer used a string of companies, including UK firms, through which income from his image rights was routed, before making its way to Uruguay and Belize, according to The Times. According to the paper the companies were registered to nominee owners and shareholders. It said prosecutors claim the pair used this to hide the fact the player was the 'recipient and beneficiary' of the income. However, Messi has already said he and his father 'never committed any infringement' and 'always fulfilled our tax obligations', the paper said.
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