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Yesterday was shocking freedman is beyond untenable he just can't have them players on board all the stuff round the club fine great job but what he's trying to do with the first team I have no idea - fair play to derby very good side - I just want my Bolton back this I'd the worst side for 25 years no question

Why didn't YOU run on the pitch then?

you obviousley havent met my wife!!!

Spoke to the lad who ran on the pitch on my way out, surprised to see him released so quickly, also surprised that he was removed then allowed to go back.

 

Without commenting on the rights and wrongs the lad said he goes home and away and had simply had enough. He actually apologised to me for any offence caused and looked like he had let his feelings boil over.

 

I actually preferred the pitch invasion to the bloke behind me.

screaming 'FUCK OFF FREEDMAN' in my ear all second half.

We had a woman behind us who wasn't really sure who she wanted out so was just randomly shouting. Well, it was more of a shrill really.

Spoke to the lad who ran on the pitch on my way out, surprised to see him released so quickly, also surprised that he was removed then allowed to go back.

 

Without commenting on the rights and wrongs the lad said he goes home and away and had simply had enough. He actually apologised to me for any offence caused and looked like he had let his feelings boil over.

 

I actually preferred the pitch invasion to the bloke behind me.

screaming 'FUCK OFF FREEDMAN' in my ear all second half.

He's on one of the FB pages today, apologising if he caused any offence to anyone & explaining why he did it.

 

Similar to what you've already mentioned. He finds out his fate on Wednesday apparently.

I saw him outside and was amazed he'd not been nicked fair play for showing passion but it was fool hardy at best the non reaction of the stewards was slightly more worrying

Apparently we tried to "out-football" them. Eh? What fucking planet is he on? Matt Mills' constant long balls into the stands...is that what he's talking about? Beats me.

Eddie Davies is doing the same fire fighting as any chairman of a small club playing in the big leagues.

 

Everyone moaned that he wasn't throwing enough money around in the Prem, a good number moan that he has all this debt to deal with. He sanctioned more than was wise in hindsight, perhaps because football is more emotive than kettles. Now (thankfully) he is dealing with it. Or we would be in a footballing black hole.

Exactly. We had a go in the premierleague and got in Europe thanks to Eddies backing. Nobody complained about the debt then. Now we have to tighten our belts. I don't see why people have a problem understanding the basics of our financial situation.

Edited September 28, 201411 yr by Arrested development

Frank, we've been poor pal

 

We really have

After their goal we were beyond awful lacking in any drive, shape or ideas.

 

After the second they seemed as content as derby to see out the game at 2-2.

 

I still stand by my view that before the goal we were doing ok.

 

The fact that Dougie started with Mason up top on his own was enough to convince me we would get beat even before I reached the stadium.

Had he picked Craig Davies as the 1 I perhaps wouldn't have been as resigned to defeat.

 

Mason came in on his first loan spell and struggled as a 1 up top.

Juke came in and the little and large partnership worked.

Mason comes back and he gets played in a position that's been proven he can't play in.

He scored a hat trick with a strike partner the other week

if freedman can't see that mason up top alone doesn't work then he's lost the plot even worse than I thought

As for the 2 cunt jugglers who ran on the pitch, they were comedy respite on a depressing day. Even if they did look a pair of dick waggons.

More embarrassing than them was the dire stewarding allowing them to ride the corner flag like a hobby horse and act the biggun.

I was surprised Lonergan didn't lamp the cunt when he came back on though.

That is what people do, for some it takes longer than others to reach that point, fortunately there are still 12000 who are still "doing it"

 

Ah, but the question now is : "doing it" what ?

 

From the video evidence of yesterday, they might still be there in body but they've definitely reach "that point".

 

And equally "fortunately", the club have my money already.

After their goal we were beyond awful lacking in any drive, shape or ideas.

 

After the second they seemed as content as derby to see out the game at 2-2.

 

I still stand by my view that before the goal we were doing ok.

 

The fact that Dougie started with Mason up top on his own was enough to convince me we would get beat even before I reached the stadium.

Had he picked Craig Davies as the 1 I perhaps wouldn't have been as resigned to defeat.

 

Mason came in on his first loan spell and struggled as a 1 up top.

Juke came in and the little and large partnership worked.

Mason comes back and he gets played in a position that's been proven he can't play in.

He scored a hat trick with a strike partner the other week

if freedman can't see that mason up top alone doesn't work then he's lost the plot even worse than I thought

 

 

while i dont think 442 could have been any worse in that dismal second half, i wouldnt have taken derby on with 2 central midfielders plus wingers at the start

 

i dont think mason was supposed to be so isolated

 

davies (i presume) was supposed to support him

 

he was a disgrace yesterday and i'm a fan

 

and i dont think the intention was for lonergan to keep lumping it to their centre backs, otherwise we wouldnt be giving him the option of a short ball - stump is so slow, hes left with no option but the easy one which is to boot it long

 

 

anyway, we were dogshit and if he was being judged solely on the on pitch his time would be up

 

but the evidence so far is that theres a bigger picture

Exactly. We had a go in the premierleague and got in Europe thanks to Eddies backing. Nobody complained about the debt then. Now we have to tighten our belts. I don't see why people have a problem understanding the basics of our financial situation.

 

a ) The debt wasn't £160m 7-8 years ago.

b ) When we got into the Prem in 2001, I understood the club telling us they would not financially risk the club's future. (A bit like promising us the move to the Reebok wouldn't put the club into debt).

c) There is no way the club can pay ED back the £160m (and rising). So if/until he wipes out the debt somehow, then fans have no idea what the endgame is.

   Remember why Darlington went bust ?  Their owner built a big edge-of-town stadium they could never fill. The re-born club now plays at Bishop Auckland.

d) No problem with tightening our belts when that's necessary, we've been here before; the Normid store, the share issues, Lifeline, selling our best players etc. But that requires the right manager who can get the best out of the squad he can cobble together. Which also means a strong and imaginative and football-wise Owner/Board/Chairman.

Edited September 28, 201411 yr by Rembrandt

while i dont think 442 could have been any worse in that dismal second half, i wouldnt have taken derby on with 2 central midfielders plus wingers at the start

 

i dont think mason was supposed to be so isolated

 

davies (i presume) was supposed to support him

 

he was a disgrace yesterday and i'm a fan

 

and i dont think the intention was for lonergan to keep lumping it to their centre backs, otherwise we wouldnt be giving him the option of a short ball - stump is so slow, hes left with no option but the easy one which is to boot it long

 

 

anyway, we were dogshit and if he was being judged solely on the on pitch his time would be up

 

but the evidence so far is that theres a bigger picture

I can only think the bigger picture involves hitting the bottom, then living within our means with no further financial input from Eddie just surviving on our income and hoping we can unearth the odd gem, a glorified crewe if you like.

I can only think the bigger picture involves hitting the bottom, then living within our means with no further financial input from Eddie just surviving on our income and hoping we can unearth the odd gem, a glorified crewe if you like.

That might well be the case, which would be a bit grim

That might well be the case, which would be a bit grim

It's where we would have been in the last 20 years if Eddie hadn't turned up I can live with that but it's a sad end to the fantastic journey we've had and for that I thank Eddie and Sam Allardyce.

I'm starting to think this bigger picture stuff is a bit of guff. What could it possibly be?

I'm starting to think this bigger picture stuff is a bit of guff. What could it possibly be?

It is utter guff, no good can come of what's happening at present.

I'm starting to think this bigger picture stuff is a bit of guff. What could it possibly be?

 

Is it just me that doesn't think it's all that much of a mystery? The way I see it:

 

- The 10 years in the prem, we made steady but not ridiculous losses, ED was happy to cover those with 'loans'  whilst making some back in interest, some back from player profits and with the continued huge revenue from TV.

 

- Relegation inevitably came but possibly wasn't well planned for, we suddenly made a huge loss which ED again covered but then suddenly all is not as rosy money wise and we begin to think that maybe we have to make our own money from somewhere and try to be less reliant on ED.

 

- FFP comes along and makes ED's decision for him, he can no longer just cover whatever losses we make, for as long as we are out of the premiership we need to align our spending with the revenue that we create ourselves (i.e. not much).

 

- At this point now we have got to the point of reducing the spending, we now need to find ways of generating more revenue; free schools, middlebrook development and any profits on young players either from the academy or picked up from other academies.

 

- Whilst all this is happening we need to find a competent manager who sees us as a good opportunity to make a name for himself due to the infrastructure that we have and hope that he has the ability to somehow get us out of the wilderness that is the championship.

 

- If all that can happen and we do make it back to the promised land of the prem (money wise anyway) then you'd hope that we manage the finances better and keep some of the ridiculous amounts on offer back just incase we do slip down again. I realise this part is easier said than done when trying to stay competitive in the best league in the world.

 

 

IMO it's not as bad as it all seems, this year was always going to be the hardest money wise as massive cuts had to be made. Now we've got the majority of that out of the way there is no reason that a new manager could not come in and build something, a process that I genuinely believe Freedman has started but has the inability to carry on and finish successfully.

So this competent Manager you speak of....

So this competent Manager you speak of....

 

 He's still yet to be found.

 

Like I said though, DF for me has done the dirty work, he's cut the wages, worked off frees and loans this year and brought in some youngsters who apparently have a chance of making it.

 

It just so happens he's shit when it comes to the football side of things. Therefore we need to get rid before we drop again (and go further from the financial promised land) and bring this 'competent' manager in to pick up the reins off the pitch and hopefully improve it on the pitch.

 

Whether you trust the right man to be brought in is a different matter

Edited September 28, 201411 yr by Eddie

and brought in some youngsters who apparently have a chance of making it.

 

 

No he hasn't.

No he hasn't.

Well, there's Clayton for a start.

I see this as a Phil Neal scenario, Neal had a great eye for player, brought through good youth players, worked on a shoestring, history is repeating itself, Dougie is Phil Neal incarnate, just need to find another Rioch and Todd.