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[DomRepWanderer]

I see this as a Phil Neal scenario, Neal had a great eye for player, brought through good youth players, worked on a shoestring, history is repeating itself, Dougie is Phil Neal incarnate, just need to find another Rioch and Todd.

[Eddie]

No he hasn't.

 

Strange thing to say Gonzo, basically saying you've written them all off already?

 

You might not trust Freedman to bring them through and get the best out of them but there's nothing to say that a different manager couldn't come in and turn any of Hall, Clayton, Wilkinson or even White into 1st teamers.

 

If we eventually sell any of them on for even £2m then it's a profit and job done.

[gonzo]

I'm saying freedman has had fuck all to do with bringing young players through and has discarded various prospects in favour of his own hand picked youngsters.

 

He goes totally against any advice given to him by academy staff. That has come from the horses mouth.

 

He's loaned out wilkinson and eaves in favour of bringing in loan signings and would rather play a player out of position than give a youngun a bash.

 

I'm not writing off any of our kids mate as I've never seen any of em play.

Edited September 28, 2014 by gonzo

[Eddie]

I'm saying freedman has had fuck all to do with bringing young players through and has discarded various prospects in favour of his own hand picked youngsters.

 

He goes totally against any advice given to him by academy staff. That has come from the horses mouth.

 

He's loaned out wilkinson and eaves in favour of bringing in loan signings and would rather play a player out of position than give a youngun a bash.

 

I'm not writing off any of our kids mate as I've never seen any of em play.

 

Fair enough, I'd agree with you that he doesn't seem to be helping them when they are here.

 

My point was that he has brought some in to the club though that a new manager could have a chance of working with.

[gonzo]

Fair enough, I'd agree with you that he doesn't seem to be helping them when they are here.

 

My point was that he has brought some in to the club though that a new manager could have a chance of working with.

Your right.

 

Same could be said for the rest of the team too.

 

I don't buy for one minute are players aren't good enough. Most of em are household championship names with decent CV's.

 

The problem at Bolton isn't off the pitch. It's on it.

[Mounts Kipper]

Another thing irritating me is DF claim that he's planning 3 games ahead if that's the case is it possible he might not be concentrating fully on the game in hand, it doesn't impress me and from what I can see isnt helping with results concentrate on one game at a time Douglas because you might not be here in 3.

[Mounts Kipper]

Another thing irritating me is DF claim that he's planning 3 games ahead if that's the case is it possible he might not be concentrating fully on the game in hand, it doesn't impress me and from what I can see isnt helping with results concentrate on one game at a time Douglas because you might not be here in 3.

[COYW]

Neal had a great eye for player, brought through good youth players, worked on a shoestring, history is repeating itself, Dougie is Phil Neal incarnate

 

Neal brought in McAteer, Walker, Philliskirk, etc. not too mention bringing through the likes of Stubbs. Who has Dougie brought in of that calibre?

[Guest]

Neal brought in McAteer, Walker, Philliskirk, etc. not too mention bringing through the likes of Stubbs. Who has Dougie brought in of that calibre?

 

 

Well need a Rioch to reveal the quality.

 

 

Has Dougie also ditched decent players?

[burnden]

I'm saying freedman has had fuck all to do with bringing young players through and has discarded various prospects in favour of his own hand picked youngsters.

 

He goes totally against any advice given to him by academy staff. That has come from the horses mouth.

 

 

Have been told exactly this also.

[Traf]

As have I.

 

From someone who knows.

[tomski]

I'm saying freedman has had fuck all to do with bringing young players through and has discarded various prospects in favour of his own hand picked youngsters.

 

He goes totally against any advice given to him by academy staff. That has come from the horses mouth.

 

He's loaned out wilkinson and eaves in favour of bringing in loan signings and would rather play a player out of position than give a youngun a bash.

 

I'm not writing off any of our kids mate as I've never seen any of em play.

See this is how I see it. There seems no planning for long term strategy. If anything I feel we are more short sighted than ever with our reliance on loans. I know finance dictates this but why is it mooted there is a long term plan.

 

The fact we seem to want a manager we want rid for a season is perhaps one of the stupidest things I have heard in football.

[Traf]

But Dougie doesn't like loans...

[Mounts Kipper]

As have I.

 

From someone who knows.

I've no problem with DF making a decision on players over academy staff, end of the day it's his neck on the line and it's not as though there is a world beater being ignored from the academy and none who've left are pulling up trees.

[mickbrown]

I see this as a Phil Neal scenario, Neal had a great eye for player, brought through good youth players, worked on a shoestring, history is repeating itself, Dougie is Phil Neal incarnate, just need to find another Rioch and Todd.

 

Neal was much maligned but he's one of the most decorated footballers ever and as a manager went onto work with England and managed at the highest level.

 

Pisses all over what this fella has/will do.

[Traf]

Neal was much maligned but he's one of the most decorated footballers ever and as a manager went onto work with England and managed at the highest level.

 

Pisses all over what this fella has/will do.

 

Yes, boss.

[Juan.Kerr]

Your right.

 

Same could be said for the rest of the team too.

 

I don't buy for one minute are players aren't good enough. Most of em are household championship names with decent CV's.

 

The problem at Bolton isn't off the pitch. It's on it.

 

What he said.

[HR]

So roughly fag packet, what is Ed's net spend? £160m in debt, £100m asset plus interest payments. I think he is one of the best things that has happened to the club but don't think he would commit financial suicide for the love of it, he's not stupid.

[mickbrown]

Yes, boss.

 

Wrighty, boss.

[Ani]

So roughly fag packet, what is Ed's net spend? £160m in debt, £100m asset plus interest payments. I think he is one of the best things that has happened to the club but don't think he would commit financial suicide for the love of it, he's not stupid.

When doing your numbers take into account how much he could have earned investing that money elsewhere, I know we paid interest he will be well down I would imagine and now has £160M tied up in a concern that reducing in value on an almost daily basis.

[Horwich]

We could do with a leader on the pitch. Every good team had one.

[ralph gubbins]

We got rid of the last manager and now were in it again but what is the point of fans arguing about should he stay or go ,surely it is affecting the team .As a fan I hate going to home matches because of the senseless bickering so just think how bad the players feel.Burnley went up last season with a worst team than us so it is possible if everyone sticks together.

 

 

signed dug

[Rembrandt]

We got rid of the last manager and now were in it again but what is the point of fans arguing about should he stay or go ,surely it is affecting the team .As a fan I hate going to home matches because of the senseless bickering so just think how bad the players feel.Burnley went up last season with a worst team than us so it is possible if everyone sticks together.

 

 

signed dug

 

Burnley may have had worse players than us on paper (arguable) but they had an effective team.

We have some decent Championship players (it seems, on paper) but we have no team. Not least because DF over-complicates everything, believes we can get results without the ball, and tinkers endlessly.

It's not the bickering off the pitch that's the problem. It's the dire football on the pitch.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Rembrandt

[Horwich]

We dont hve mny good players at all. Rose tinted specs

 

We are not good enough. This is dougies team now. No excuses

[Nowack]

As have I.

 

From someone who knows.

I think it's pretty common knowledge that the existing coaching staff were not impressed with the appointment of Freedman and some probably think that view has been vindicated. I fear the club is rife with cliques and petty infighting which he has never got to grips with and it will be interesting to see how his inevitable replacement deals with it.