Worth a punt?

Just to play Devil's Advocate here...

 

What if he is, indeed, innocent?

Should he admit to raping a girl, just so he can play football again?

 

 

That's what I mean about a poor strategy.

 

If he is proved, eventually, to be innocent, then his patience will be rewarded, rather than trying to rush "public opinion", so he will be able to then secure a job.

 

The best of all worlds.

 

If he is innocent, then he should get the legal side completed first and not admit rape to restore his football career.

I am not a lawyer, but suspect that you can only overturn a verdict if new evidence is produced.

 

Reckon it's a long shot that this will happen. Unlikely that the trial proceedings will be re-examined.

 

If he had any sense (which I doubt), he would say mea culpa, I want to start again. Then he might play again this season.

 

Otherwise, he will be taking his dog for a walk to keep fit for quite a while.

 

Nobody will employ him as a footballer in this country at the mo, and he can't work abroad.

Oldham signed Lee Hughes after he killed someone, was there this kind of backlash from the fans over that? I cant remember.

Can one of the mods just repost all the earlier comments cos this just goes round and round.

 

He is professional footballer backed up by his girlfriends millionaire family, he should have had the best defence lawyers money could buy, if after hearing all the evidence, rather than snippets from the internet a jury found him guilty there is quite likely a decent case against him.

 

If something comes out and he is proven innocent then it is a different game until then he has to put up with it.

 

There are a million jobs that a sex offender can not get, his job relies on his employer getting enough money to cover his wages, because of his actions any potential employer will be faced with less income. No employer will take someone on who will have this impact on their income.

 

I am not sure which bit of any law states that after a conviction you are entitled to the lifestyle you had before the conviction.

its not to do with entitlement, though is it

 

if oldham dont sign him it wont be because hes a convicted rapist, itll be because rent a mob dont like it

 

i'm uncomfortable with mob rule

its not to do with entitlement, though is it

 

if oldham dont sign him it wont be because hes a convicted rapist, itll be because rent a mob dont like it

 

i'm uncomfortable with mob rule

Mob rule ? A group of people saying they will not deal with Oldham if he signs is not quite mob rule.

 

People taking up their legal right to express their opinion, clubs will not sign him because of the reaction of fans or more likely sponsors given this where his wages come from can he really expect to walk back into a job as a footballer ?

 

No one is saying he can never work again, just that it is unlikely he will be able to get paid thousands of week. The reason he can not get paid thousands a week is that people who put the money in do not want him there.

 

Why is he entitled to have a job as a professional footballer ?

So should he train to be a plasterer or car mechanic then?

 

Football is his chosen profession, the main purpose of imprisonment is to ensure rehabilitation of the offender - it should be just about that and not some screaming wench with faux outrage driving a publicity mission.

 

If he was a plasterer nobody would care a fuck, he's be back on site straight away but because he earns a lot and is in the public eye he is being treated differently.

 

I guarantee if the guy was from a minority, there would be all sorts of groups standing up for him and his rights.

Suspect those signing petitions have unknowningly chanted the names of players who've done much worse (and not been found out).

 

Or perhaps those signing petitions have never been in a football ground in their lives?

 

I'm not sure though that comparing him to a plasterer is entirely fair. If he were say a TV presenter would he get work in the same line again? Possibly but not that likely. If you're in the public eye the reaction is always different and rightly or wrongly you have to expect that. Let him get on with his job I say, but can also see why it is hard for a club to employ him.

Suspect those signing petitions have unknowningly chanted the names of players who've done much worse (and not been found out).

 

Much worse. Than rape? Aye, that happened. Fucking hell.

the guy has served his time and whilst unsettling that he shows no remorse (for the record I think he got off lightly with the time he served for what he was convicted of) he should be allowed to get on with his life.

 

murderers and paedos are allowed to integrate back into society (albeit castration would suit one half of that demographic much better) but we cannot have a situation where people signing a petition prevents a person from undertaking their chosen profession. if we do we are on very shakey ground indeed.

 

Lee hughes killed somebody via dangerous driving. marlon King another example. obviously less sensitive crimes but still where do we draw the line 

 

that said will take a club with extremely huge balls to take him on.

Unless he wins his appeal he prob won't play at pro level again the media are just so over it and sponsers have clubs by the balls.

Much worse. Than rape? Aye, that happened. Fucking hell.

 

Ok probably worded wrongly and not sure you can have a list of "worst crimes". But Oldham have had a player play for them who had a longer sentence so by that measure a more serious crime.

So should he train to be a plasterer or car mechanic then?

 

Football is his chosen profession, the main purpose of imprisonment is to ensure rehabilitation of the offender - it should be just about that and not some screaming wench with faux outrage driving a publicity mission.

 

If he was a plasterer nobody would care a fuck, he's be back on site straight away but because he earns a lot and is in the public eye he is being treated differently.

 

I guarantee if the guy was from a minority, there would be all sorts of groups standing up for him and his rights.

 

Rightly or wrongly, this is all correct.

Evans fame as a professional footballer opened doors in life & gave him certain opportunities which he abused therefore the loss of such privileges is a fair part of his punishment imo.

So should he train to be a plasterer or car mechanic then?

 

Football is his chosen profession, the main purpose of imprisonment is to ensure rehabilitation of the offender - it should be just about that and not some screaming wench with faux outrage driving a publicity mission.

 

If he was a plasterer nobody would care a fuck, he's be back on site straight away but because he earns a lot and is in the public eye he is being treated differently.

 

I guarantee if the guy was from a minority, there would be all sorts of groups standing up for him and his rights.

He earns so fucking much because he is the public eye, he knew that, if he gets done for rape he can hardly then complain the public eye looks on him less favourably can he ?

 

Comparing him with a normal person with a normal job is bollocks because he never had a normal job in the first place.

 

If he was a plasterer and cut his fingers off would he still expect to get work ? Sounds a daft example but he would nt work because the work he would do would have little or no value to his employer.

 

Footballers get paid millions because companies like football and pay millions to sponsor clubs, if a sponsor says I will not sponsor you if you sign a rapist then that is tough shit on the rapist.

 

Pretty sure in his contract he would have a clause about not bringing his clubs name into disrepute he fucked that one up did nt he ?

 

The wages we all get paid is relevant to the value we bring to a company, if I came and worked for you I would get fuck all cos I do not like the cold or getting dirt behind my finger nails, what he us finding is that is value has dropped through the ground and that is because he raped a young girl. The more I think about it the more I say fuck him.

What if he didn't rape her?

What if he didn't rape her?

Then it is a world of difference, at the moment he is a convicted rapist, as mentioned above he would have had access to top legal advice and support

 

This not someone who was badly advised how to plea or an under dog overwhelmed by someone's legal team. Interestingly if he was a plumber or similar he would not have the quality of legal team he had.

 

If the conviction was to get over turned everything changes but as a convicted rapist I am not sure why people are worrying for the lads livelihood/reputation in fact anything.

Edited January 5, 201511 yr by Ani

Actually starting to feel sorry for the guy. Not proven that he did it as far as I am concerned yet he has served his penance but can't earn his living in his chosen profession thanks to the outraged self righteous pricks who seem to have everybody running scared these days.

 

Any club which touches him will lose sponsorship deals it seems so it looks like he's faced with building a completely new life.

 

As an atheist, I have to ask if some of these folk on his case (including Jessica Ennis) have any Christian ideals whatsoever?

Actually starting to feel sorry for the guy. Not proven that he did it as far as I am concerned yet he has served his penance but can't earn his living in his chosen profession thanks to the outraged self righteous pricks who seem to have everybody running scared these days.

 

Any club which touches him will lose sponsorship deals it seems so it looks like he's faced with building a completely new life.

 

As an atheist, I have to ask if some of these folk on his case (including Jessica Ennis) have any Christian ideals whatsoever?

No offence Bolty, but 12 men/women sat through listening to all the evidence and convicted him. A lot of people are looking at snippets in the paper and making judgements from that.

 

The conviction rate for rape in this country is extremely low. For the jury to convict there must have been some compelling evidence.

Let's forget all this plasterer / mechanic nonsense, he's a high profile footballer and as such, a role model and someone who deals with the wider public on a constant basis. He isn't working in a small back street garage.

 

He needs to make amends publicly, then work at getting a career back in time. If he doesn't think he has done anything wrong, he needs to prove that in the courts THEN restart his career. There are two clear routes, but you can only take one at a time.

 

The issue is pretty clear to all except Ched Evans. If it isn't now, someone needs to have a word. Personally I think he should be allowed to play again eventually - but do it the right way.

Actually starting to feel sorry for the guy. Not proven that he did it as far as I am concerned yet he has served his penance but can't earn his living in his chosen profession thanks to the outraged self righteous pricks who seem to have everybody running scared these days.

 

Any club which touches him will lose sponsorship deals it seems so it looks like he's faced with building a completely new life.

 

As an atheist, I have to ask if some of these folk on his case (including Jessica Ennis) have any Christian ideals whatsoever?

Out of interest Bolty, would you have him starting for us against Leeds?

The difference between the Ched Evans caqse and the Jonny Evans non-case is that in Jonny's case the police decided there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

 

Ched's mate McDonald got off because it was not disputed that the girl initiated the sex. Because of the uproar from friends and supporters of the defendants the court was cleared before the verdicts continued. Ched was found guilty. The girl was unaware that he was even in the room till she woke up, and it was felt could not have agreed to anything in connection with Ched.

 

McDonald protested from the dock, believing they were both innocent or both guilty. But he is a just a thick footballer and not a barrister,

 

Are any football clubs sponsored by Prestons of Bolton or their parent company? Their CEO has been paying for CE's defence. I'm sure they could employ him in a security role until his case review is completed (it has already been fast-tracked).

 

My own view, when this was building up, was that CE would have been well advised to approach Warrington Town as soon as they reached the FA Cup competition proper. He would have significantly strengthened their team at next to nil cost and deflected much of the flak he is currently facing at every turn. He could even have approached the same club after they reached the second round. Maybe he did - but somehow I doubt it. But now, even such an avenue is likely to be closed to him.

This is a decent article that gets it about right...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ched-evans-comment-too-much-money-too-much-time-9822207.html

Out of interest Bolty, would you have him starting for us against Leeds?

 

 

i'm not sure evans is that good

 

so how about would you have a 25 year old andy walker having been convicted of rape and served his time

 

 

i would

 

but thats based purely on football and not the sponsors/fans opinions - the lost revenue could well outweigh the goals but if youre asking do i have a problem with an ex con playing for us, i dont think i do?

This is a decent article that gets it about right...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ched-evans-comment-too-much-money-too-much-time-9822207.html

 so he used to live in a garage... does that make him a deviant?