davidjack Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Can't believe this thread has generated 75 replies. Corners have been the least of our kin worries this past three and a half years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Right what per cent of normal corners lead to goals ? What per cent of short corners lead to goals ? And where is the per cent key on an iPad ? press 123 then the box on right or left with hashtag + = and it's there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 press 123 then the box on right or left with hashtag + = and it's there. Cheers %. :lol:. Been bugging me that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 24, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2014 Can't believe this thread has generated 75 replies. Corners have been the least of our kin worries this past three and a half years. tell you what, lets go for a 4 pager on 'taking your hats off for the wanderers' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidjack Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Tell you what, let's make it 5. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledwhite2 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Peoples own experiences will differ vastly from professional football though. Its ok saying such a thing happens in amateur matches but its a different world from the pro's. I suspect defending corners for pro footballers is practiced quite often or it should be. Aye, it's VERY amateur when I'm at centre back too. I'm a natural winger FFS As much as pro's practice, the fact the opposition can load up your area with all their biggest players, and their best set piece man can swing one in, that is not worthless and I don't give a monkeys what numbers get quoted. It's common sense that it's a dangerous situation. Garp what % of goals overall come from corners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Aye, it's VERY amateur when I'm at centre back too. I'm a natural winger FFS As much as pro's practice, the fact the opposition can load up your area with all their biggest players, and their best set piece man can swing one in, that is not worthless and I don't give a monkeys what numbers get quoted. It's common sense that it's a dangerous situation. Garp what % of goals overall come from corners? I'm not being funny but this is why I can't be arsed, what's the point when whatever the results you won't believe it. I experience this every day and when people don't want to believe they won't. They use stats that backs up their opinion and then dismiss stats when it goes against their opinion. What is it exactly you don't believe it. Do you think the numbers are wrong or do you just not want to admit what we have always thought is wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 24, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2014 garpo, i don't dispute your figures and i'm all for using stats to gain an advantage but i don't think you've shown that there is a better alternative to lumping it into the box does any other kind of corner have a higher success rate? if not, and the lump it scores goals more times than any other, surely your tactics dictated by stats would suggest we should keep on lumping it in, as its the most successful method, even if its not as successful as we thought? im looking at your numbers and thinking theyd be great for evaluating odds but wouldnt tell us owt about whether its better to lump it in or play it short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Now we have established corners aren't worth a wank can me now leave 3 up when defending them so that we can hit the fuckers on the break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 24, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) why only 3? keep 8 up or 9 or maybe theyre only not worth a wank cos teams bring everybody back i think brum left one or two up last week - see how well that one worked Edited October 24, 2014 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 garpo, i don't dispute your figures and i'm all for using stats to gain an advantage but i don't think you've shown that there is a better alternative to lumping it into the box does any other kind of corner have a higher success rate? if not, and the lump it scores goals more times than any other, surely your tactics dictated by stats would suggest we should keep on lumping it in, as its the most successful method, even if its not as successful as we thought? im looking at your numbers and thinking theyd be great for evaluating odds but wouldnt tell us owt about whether its better to lump it in or play it short? I asked that a few pages ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 24, 2014 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2014 garpo, i don't dispute your figures and i'm all for using stats to gain an advantage but i don't think you've shown that there is a better alternative to lumping it into the box does any other kind of corner have a higher success rate? if not, and the lump it scores goals more times than any other, surely your tactics dictated by stats would suggest we should keep on lumping it in, as its the most successful method, even if its not as successful as we thought? im looking at your numbers and thinking theyd be great for evaluating odds but wouldnt tell us owt about whether its better to lump it in or play it short? in fact, im surprised nobody has asked this, already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Right what per cent of normal corners lead to goals ? What per cent of short corners lead to goals ? And where is the per cent key on an iPad ? I don't want to sound like a politician and change your question but the key to understanding it is to looking at chances and shots created. It's impossible to say what percentage of short corners lead to goals. Where do you stop? after the first, second or third chance is created or when the ball goes out of play 3 minutes later? That's why its pointless quoting figures from goals from corners after the initial corners. Yes the percentage comes right down but that's the whole point of this. it shows just how poor a chance is directly from m a corner compared to a chance in open play. 4 out of 5 corners don't even lead to a shot on goal, only 1 in 5 does. of those shots on targets 1 in 10 are goals. which is the same figure for all shots in total (shots in the 6 yard box all the way to shots from 30 yards) a shot (not a header) in the 6 yard box in open play can be around the 40-45% mark the problem with corner shots is a large percentage of them are headers (which are the lowest quality shots you can have) and those in the 6 yard box are filled with between 16 and 20 players compared to a shot in open play. This explains why only 1 in 10 shots on target form corners are goals. This is the same figure as all shots (of low and high quality). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledwhite2 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I'm not being funny but this is why I can't be arsed, what's the point when whatever the results you won't believe it. I experience this every day and when people don't want to believe they won't. They use stats that backs up their opinion and then dismiss stats when it goes against their opinion. What is it exactly you don't believe it. Do you think the numbers are wrong or do you just not want to admit what we have always thought is wrong? To be fair we're talking at cross purposes I think. Your point is that taking it short is as worthwhile as swinging it in I believe. Wouldn't know whether that's true or not. Doubt it. But a corner isn't 'worthless'. Do you know what % of goals come from corners? Also, it depends on the make up of your team, surely. And who you are playing. Barca and Chelsea are both top sides but I suspect they'd take a very different approach to corners if they played each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledwhite2 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Fuck me I've just read somewhere that 10%+ of goals come from corners. Can't be sure that's accurate, but that is a LOT of goals. Massive disparity between teams too. City scored 13 from corners in the league last year. That's a huge contribution. Edit to say there's an article on the Mail saying 'a measly' 13.3% of goals come from corners. That's not measly to me? Edited October 24, 2014 by exiledwhite2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrp Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Fuck me I've just read somewhere that 10%+ of goals come from corners. Can't be sure that's accurate, but that is a LOT of goals. Massive disparity between teams too. City scored 13 from corners in the league last year. That's a huge contribution. Edit to say there's an article on the Mail saying 'a measly' 13.3% of goals come from corners. That's not measly to me? as I said, the first stats you find that back up your argument are correct but the ones that go against your opinion are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledwhite2 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) as I said, the first stats you find that back up your argument are correct but the ones that go against your opinion are wrong. I've not disputed a single number! If I'm wrong that 10% plus of goals come from corners (I read it was 13% in the Mail), fair do's, would be genuinely interested to know what the number is. 1 in 8 goals scored, is a decent number (in my opinion, the Mail article said it was 'measly'), and well worth making sure your team is well drilled in attaching / defending them. Edited October 24, 2014 by exiledwhite2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 in fact, im surprised nobody has asked this, already nob'ead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Last season's Premier League averaged 10.78 corners per game (this is why the bookies normally have the bet set at 11!) There were on average 2.77 goals per game (hence the over/under 2.5 goals markets) If 1 in 8 goals came from corners, then we could expect 0.34625 goals per game to come from the 10.78 corners. A conversion rate of 3.2% or 1 goal per 2.89 games (260 mins and 31 corners) If as I suspect 1 goal in 10 comes from corners, then we could expect 0.277 goals per game to come from the 10.78 corners. A conversion rate of 2.57% or 1 goal per 3.61 games (325 mins and 39 corners) Therefore, I'm inclined to agree that the importance of corners are overstated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylswhite Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Last season's Premier League averaged 10.78 corners per game (this is why the bookies normally have the bet set at 11!) There were on average 2.77 goals per game (hence the over/under 2.5 goals markets) If 1 in 8 goals came from corners, then we could expect 0.34625 goals per game to come from the 10.78 corners. A conversion rate of 3.2% or 1 goal per 2.89 games (260 mins and 31 corners) If as I suspect 1 goal in 10 comes from corners, then we could expect 0.277 goals per game to come from the 10.78 corners. A conversion rate of 2.57% or 1 goal per 3.61 games (325 mins and 39 corners) Therefore, I'm inclined to agree that the importance of corners are overstated. Hard to argue with facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Hard to argue with facts. Some fucker will try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Some fucker will try. You can't argue with the stats, but you can argue with what you take from the stat Those stats do not prove that corners are overstated. It proves that they are overstated as a direct goalscoring opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledwhite2 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Some fucker will try. Right on cue! I don't dispute your numbers (the exact number in the PL last year was 13.31% just over 1 in 8 goals). http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2311576/Premier-League-corner-conversion-statistics-Manchester-United-best-Newcastle-United-worst.html It's how you interpret the numbers. The original argument made by Garp (if I'm not mistaken) was that corners are as good as worthless... 13.31% of your goals isn't worthless, surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites man Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I love a corner at an away game when you are behind the goal we are attacking. Campo at Blackburn & McCann at Boro to earn 0-1 wins come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter White on Tyne Posted October 24, 2014 Site Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2014 We should introduce short corners like they do in hockey. Would liven things up a bit. As would sticks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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