Big E Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 My outgoings are about 1300 but that includes travel to work for both of us and a budget of £200 on food which we always go over. best get that cv spruced Quote
mannyroad58 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 £800 a month???? fcuk me do you all live in a skip Quote
Traf Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Mortgage + Utilities + Council tax = £550 We're way over £800 pcm here Quote
stevieb Posted April 23, 2015 Author Posted April 23, 2015 best get that cv spruced Funnily enough, I spruced my CV up at the start of the year and got a 33pc pay increase by getting a new job. Quote
Big E Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Funnily enough, I spruced my CV up at the start of the year and got a 33pc pay increase by getting a new job. then what you whinging for....£800 for childcare is a doddle then. Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 For me: TV, broadband and phones £60 Mortgage £300 Gas, leccy and water £90 Council tax £72 Car insurance £50 That's £6k a year, so your 10k looks fine. The rest is optional as I could cycle to work and eat there for free. I've included food, ale & fags in my 10k All of which I could trim back on, so where this 18-21k, or senile Scargill's 25k comes from leaves me baffled! There's a big difference between a 'living wage' & wanting more spunkable disposable income. When the wages go up are people thinking products they buy will stay the same? Quote
Casino Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 if profitable businesses have a responsibility to the society that buys there goods (bollocks imo) does society have a responsibility to the owner of a business that goes bang i bet smiffs has a view Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I've included food, ale & fags in my 10k All of which I could trim back on, so where this 18-21k, or senile Scargill's 25k comes from leaves me baffled! There's a big difference between a 'living wage' & wanting more spunkable disposable income. When the wages go up are people thinking products they buy will stay the same? What you reckon it costs for someone to live isn't that relevant when these are set based on evidence and research by an independent body. My monthly outgoings on mortgage alone is more than yours. So it is pointless basing it on any persons singular experience. It is the average cost of living. Everyone could live on virtually nothing bar a sleeping bag and a free daily cup of soup in reality but this is trying to establish a baseline for the bare minimum requirements for a sensible wage to support people's lives. Also ignoring NI and pension contributions which presumably many low paid workers will still make. Given they are low paid they probably don't have a mortgage so most likely rent. Presumably they also mainly have some form of transport costs to get to work and don't get to eat there for free.... Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 if profitable businesses have a responsibility to the society that buys there goods (bollocks imo) does society have a responsibility to the owner of a business that goes bang i bet smiffs has a view They would be entitled to the same measure of benefits and support of anyone else within society would they not? My view, and I know a lot of people will disagree, is that business should be integrated as part of society. Not seen as something in its own right and certainly not something that dominates all thinking. It is central to making things work, but has to realise it sometimes has to look slightly beyond its profit and cost margins. That is not to say you go all in and force it. It is just about creating the right culture. Quote
no balls Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I'm not sure if it's been asked further up but if this living wage bollocks is £25k then are other people's wages going to be increased accordingly and how does that work without the employer going bust Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I'm not sure if it's been asked further up but if this living wage bollocks is £25k then are other people's wages going to be increased accordingly and how does that work without the employer going bust It isn't.... Quote
no balls Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 It isn't.... how much is calculated then and by whom? Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 how much is calculated then and by whom? http://www.lboro.ac.uk/research/crsp/mis/thelivingwage/ Quote
Traf Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 http://www.lboro.ac.uk/research/crsp/mis/thelivingwage/ How many hours a week are they assuming? 36, 37.5 or 40? Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 What you reckon it costs for someone to live isn't that relevant when these are set based on evidence and research by an independent body. IT'S NOT WHAT I RECKON! IT'S WHAT IT COSTS ME! DON'T BE SELECTIVE IN YOUR READING. My monthly outgoings on mortgage alone is more than yours. So it is pointless basing it on any persons singular experience. It is the average cost of living. YET IF YOU WERE ON MINIMUM WAGE, THIS WOULD NOT BE TRUE. IT IS ALSO NOT ON AVERAGE COST OF LIVING, OTHERWISE IT WOULDNT BE A LIVING WAGE, IT WOULD BE A 'LET'S ALL HAVE THE SAME WAGE' Everyone could live on virtually nothing bar a sleeping bag and a free daily cup of soup in reality but this is trying to establish a baseline for the bare minimum requirements for a sensible wage to support people's lives. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON A SUPPOSED 'LIVING WAGE'. TO LIVE, YOU NEED, FOOD SHELTER HEATING. NOT CARS, MOBILES, BIG FOOK OFF TELE'S. I'VE POINTED OUT I CAN LIVE EASILY FOR 10K, INCLUDING CARS, MOBILES & BIG FOOK OF TELE'S. IF I COULDN'T, I'D MOVE, DOWNSIZE, GET RID OF A CAR, ETC. ANYONE NOT ABLE TO LIVE ON THE CURRENT MINIMUM WAGE & HANDOUTS NEEDS A BLOODY GOOD SHOEING! Also ignoring NI and pension contributions which presumably many low paid workers will still make. Given they are low paid they probably don't have a mortgage so most likely rent. Presumably they also mainly have some form of transport costs to get to work and don't get to eat there for free.... YOU NEED TO DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK! YOUR KNOWLEDGE SEEMS LACKING & PRESUMPTIVE. Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 How many hours a week are they assuming? 36, 37.5 or 40? 37.5. Quote
COYW Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 So about 18k or 21k in London. There's some expensive tastes out there! Renting a one bed flat in London would set you back at least half of that. Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Renting a one bed flat in London would set you back at least half of that. So don't rent a one bed flat then. If you can't afford it, don't do it. House share. Quote
Big E Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 So don't rent a one bed flat then. If you can't afford it, don't do it. House share. House shares are expensive as well though. My mate pays £1100 a month for a room Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 So don't rent a one bed flat then. If you can't afford it, don't do it. House share. So don't have a business if you can't afford to pay your staff a decent wage...... Quote
Carlos Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Or have a business and get all the work done in a more affordable marketplace. Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 House shares are expensive as well though. My mate pays £1100 a month for a room Bullshit. 1. You don't have any mates. 2. I'm guessing your 'mate' isn't on minimum wage, nor is the location of said house share the sort of location someone on minimum wage should be house sharing? Quote
Whites man Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Tesco pay their staff more, prices increase to cover it, folk buy less, the economy slows/contracts. There's no easy answers here, if you think there are you don't understand the question. Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 So don't have a business if you can't afford to pay your staff a decent wage...... You sir are coming across as an A1 moron, with little or no understanding of how this capitalist country works. Social Utopia's have proven to fail time & again, stop trying to back an ideal that doesn't work. If you want that, move to Cuba, I'd give you about 3 months before you'd be crying to come back. Quote
Guest Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 You sir are coming across as an A1 moron, with little or no understanding of how this capitalist country works. Social Utopia's have proven to fail time & again, stop trying to back an ideal that doesn't work. If you want that, move to Cuba, I'd give you about 3 months before you'd be crying to come back. It is pretty distorted to think that a desire to encourage companies to pay £1.25 per hour more to their minimum wage staff equates to a social utopia or the downfall of capitalism. As for mentioning Cuba, well..... Loads of businesses already have signed up to this. It is voluntary. These businesses report 25% less sick days and 75% increase in staff productivity. The fact that this in your mind is equivalent to communism says an awful lot. Quote
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