McAtee as lost a load of weight looking at him.

Maybe he's realised its time to do what he obviously has the potential to do

Brighton turned down a 7M bid for ACD

Assume it'll take a bid of £10m+ to get ACD, it'll either be a recently relegated Prem side like a Burnley or he'll go to Germany for a year or two.

If that doesn't happen I think there's a slim chance we get him on loan again for the year, probably deadline day.

21 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

It’s not even an if though is it because he’s never played as well as Saturday and there’s nothing to say he will again. As the old saying goes if ifs and ands ……….. If we can recover our costs I’d snap a buyers hands off.

Birmingham and Orient at home (admittedly season before last but 2 big games at the time that he turned). Barnsley home, Wimbledon away, Bradford away, Stockport at Wembley.

He's hardly started any games last 18 months and can have his sending off thrown at him, but I'm struggling to think of more than 1 or 2 games he started when he didn't play similar to Saturday. And when he comes on in league games he nearly always makes a positive impact.

FWIW I think his performance v PNE has been exaggerated because there was a perception he's crap. He was decent without being outstanding, eg that volley at goal 2nd half was OK but was arguably a wasted opportunity. He made a few infuriating errors, hence we can sign better if we want to pay for it.

But his standard on Saturday was just his normal level, it shouldn't be either exaggerated or taken as a one off, he's not Apter or Randall.

46 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

Tbh if a club meet the price we want he will be gone.

He's one of our higher earners isn't he? - so maybe shifting him off the wage bill, will free something up

17 minutes ago, burnden said:

Brighton turned down a 7M bid for ACD

12 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

Assume it'll take a bid of £10m+ to get ACD, it'll either be a recently relegated Prem side like a Burnley or he'll go to Germany for a year or two.

If that doesn't happen I think there's a slim chance we get him on loan again for the year, probably deadline day.

I know it's not happened, and may not, but I said a few months ago that if he was actually sold, then he'd be going for £8M~£10M, and I recall @Tonge moor green jacket saying I was talking nonsense 🙂

His ceiling is very high, don't go and play in a biz league

40 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I know it's not happened, and may not, but I said a few months ago that if he was actually sold, then he'd be going for £8M~£10M, and I recall @Tonge moor green jacket saying I was talking nonsense 🙂

Unlike you to be talking nonsense...

50 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Birmingham and Orient at home (admittedly season before last but 2 big games at the time that he turned). Barnsley home, Wimbledon away, Bradford away, Stockport at Wembley.

He's hardly started any games last 18 months and can have his sending off thrown at him, but I'm struggling to think of more than 1 or 2 games he started when he didn't play similar to Saturday. And when he comes on in league games he nearly always makes a positive impact.

FWIW I think his performance v PNE has been exaggerated because there was a perception he's crap. He was decent without being outstanding, eg that volley at goal 2nd half was OK but was arguably a wasted opportunity. He made a few infuriating errors, hence we can sign better if we want to pay for it.

But his standard on Saturday was just his normal level, it shouldn't be either exaggerated or taken as a one off, he's not Apter or Randall.

No problem with your opinion

But for me he's been below average in fact very poor since he signed for us.

Saturday was a massive improvement hence why people are saying they hope it's going to be the turning point for him

I don't actually think there's any interest from Championship clubs in McAtee, I'm not sure why there would be. He had a great game at the weekend but this just seems to me to be an agent trying to capitalise on a well timed uptick in his perception to either get a new contract or get himself a tidy fee for a transfer.

I've heard that after promotion he's on around £12.5k a week now, so you'd be hard pressed to find a club willing to get anywhere close to that for him, but he's of an age now where a multi year deal is more valuable than the sun total of his contract with us this season.

For what it's worth, if keep him until January given the makeup of the squad and I genuinely do just like the fella and feel he brings something to the team that very few others do (especially among the forwards) with his pressing and work rate, but in the same breath I'd still be actively looking to find a replacement/upgrade to bring in this window.

3 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

I've heard that after promotion he's on around £12.5k a week now, so you'd be hard pressed to find a club willing to get anywhere close to that for him, but he's of an age now where a multi year deal is more valuable than the sun total of his contract with us this season.

A loan covering his wages would basically cover what we paid for him in that case

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Birmingham and Orient at home (admittedly season before last but 2 big games at the time that he turned). Barnsley home, Wimbledon away, Bradford away, Stockport at Wembley.

He's hardly started any games last 18 months and can have his sending off thrown at him, but I'm struggling to think of more than 1 or 2 games he started when he didn't play similar to Saturday. And when he comes on in league games he nearly always makes a positive impact.

FWIW I think his performance v PNE has been exaggerated because there was a perception he's crap. He was decent without being outstanding, eg that volley at goal 2nd half was OK but was arguably a wasted opportunity. He made a few infuriating errors, hence we can sign better if we want to pay for it.

But his standard on Saturday was just his normal level, it shouldn't be either exaggerated or taken as a one off, he's not Apter or Randall.

Sorry I saw all those games and didn’t see what you did. Maybe you’re just seeing what you want to see, something we’re all guilty of when we like a player. For the money he’s on plus the decent fee we’d possibly recover for him it would be foolish not to cash in. He’ll never be a match winner or even a match turner I’m afraid however much we want him to. If a decent offer comes in then I’d move him on because there are much better and more consistent performers out there that we could sign instead.

44 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Sorry I saw all those games and didn’t see what you did. Maybe you’re just seeing what you want to see, something we’re all guilty of when we like a player. For the money he’s on plus the decent fee we’d possibly recover for him it would be foolish not to cash in. He’ll never be a match winner or even a match turner I’m afraid however much we want him to. If a decent offer comes in then I’d move him on because there are much better and more consistent performers out there that we could sign instead.

If a decent offer comes in I'd move him on too, if we can sign better (without spending about £5mil like PNE or Bristol City on fairly average players).

I can only politely disagree with the bit about seeing what I want to see. I just want what's best for the team and have no interest in sticking up for this player or that. There are a few players I really rate (eg Conway, Sheehan, ACD) and without exception if they have a bad game, which all 3 did last season a few times, I say they've had a bad 'un.

I even criticised Kieran Lee once.

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

I know it's not happened, and may not, but I said a few months ago that if he was actually sold, then he'd be going for £8M~£10M, and I recall @Tonge moor green jacket saying I was talking nonsense 🙂

Rangers are desperate.

If they're chucking silly offers around, then Brighton may well be able to squeeze even more out of them.

Let's not forget Brighton are easily the best selling club in the land.

Some of the figures they've managed to blag mainly off Chelsea are incredible.

They rarely get much wrong.

4 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Birmingham and Orient at home (admittedly season before last but 2 big games at the time that he turned). Barnsley home, Wimbledon away, Bradford away, Stockport at Wembley.

He's hardly started any games last 18 months and can have his sending off thrown at him, but I'm struggling to think of more than 1 or 2 games he started when he didn't play similar to Saturday. And when he comes on in league games he nearly always makes a positive impact.

FWIW I think his performance v PNE has been exaggerated because there was a perception he's crap. He was decent without being outstanding, eg that volley at goal 2nd half was OK but was arguably a wasted opportunity. He made a few infuriating errors, hence we can sign better if we want to pay for it.

But his standard on Saturday was just his normal level, it shouldn't be either exaggerated or taken as a one off, he's not Apter or Randall.

Any judgement of McAtee or any of ours after Saturday needs to be tempered by how gentle an introduction to the Championship Preston gave us. They were miles off it for 70 odd minutes, didn't press us with any urgency, allowed us to get out of defensive situations and move the ball through the thirds easily. Very little of our build up play was made under any great pressure.

McAtee certainly had, for him, a welcome productive day, good on him for that. It wasn't one though that meant his long term limitations should be glossed over.

1 minute ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Any judgement of McAtee or any of ours after Saturday needs to be tempered by how gentle an introduction to the Championship Preston gave us. They were miles off it for 70 odd minutes, didn't press us with any urgency, allowed us to get out of defensive situations and move the ball through the thirds easily. Very little of our build up play was made under any great pressure.

McAtee certainly had, for him, a welcome productive day, good on him for that. It wasn't one though that meant his long term limitations should be glossed over.

I agree, let's face it PNE were awful and played right into our hands. And had some players that wouldn't have got in our team in L1 eg their RB.

The long term limitations applies to every player though. If that wasn't the case, we'd be expecting Conway, Gale, EE and Sheehan to waltz through another 45 championship games, if fit. McAtee just seems to be regarded differently, there's always an asterisk next to any perceived improved games.

My View is that although Preston don't come close to setting a championship it showed McAtee had lost tons of weight, looked sharp and found some excellent balls though, weighted to perfection like the one at Bradford.

We are going to spend large parts of this season bang under the cosh and playing on the counter.

He's perfect for those scenarios as he will always run and harras players all over the pitch like a man possessed.

Those quick fire lay ons to the wingers could come in extremely handy.

He's your perfect last 20 man when you need digging out the shit

13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He's your perfect last 20 man when you need digging out the shit

Wouldn't disagree with that, if he hadnt started but come on with 20 left on Sat he'd have done a solid job of keeping the ball up their end and we might have been under less pressure at the end.

I do think though that on some sub occasions he charges around like a headless chicken, whereas on Saturday, starting the game meant he got into the pace of it more easily and was effective

Reality is he got 3 assists, albeit one of the goals was disallowed..

That's what other managers will see, he's clearly trained hard over the summer, seen his chance and gone for it.

I'd be tempted to sit him down and say something along the lines of "Another game like that and we'll sit down and talk extensions, otherwise the only people after you would be League one"

8 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Reality is he got 3 assists, albeit one of the goals was disallowed..

That's what other managers will see, he's clearly trained hard over the summer, seen his chance and gone for it.

I'd be tempted to sit him down and say something along the lines of "Another game like that and we'll sit down and talk extensions, otherwise the only people after you would be League one"

I think he could be useful to us this season but he'd have to have a lot more than two good performances for me to even start thinking about offering him a contract

2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Sorry I saw all those games and didn’t see what you did. Maybe you’re just seeing what you want to see, something we’re all guilty of when we like a player. For the money he’s on plus the decent fee we’d possibly recover for him it would be foolish not to cash in. He’ll never be a match winner or even a match turner I’m afraid however much we want him to. If a decent offer comes in then I’d move him on because there are much better and more consistent performers out there that we could sign instead.

Agree seen enough of him to know is level isn’t championship or top end league one he had is best spell goal scoring in the national league .

Played well Saturday but still missed good opportunities can fill in till Rodrigues is back but no we’re near the same level of a footballer .

get shut on deadline day when we have cover another evett fuck up wages wise

Edited August 17Aug 17 by Farnywhite

Think I mentioned a while ago not to write off McAtee and that he'd knuckled down and was living the life etc etc

Apparently Wembley lit a fire in his belly, he's properly looking after himself and trying his hardest at everything, maybe we'll get the benefit and he'll live up to the massive potential he had when he was younger, literally could be like a new signing!

Or he could get drunk and go back to finding fake aftershave

4 minutes ago, TroySwoosh said:

Think I mentioned a while ago not to write off McAtee and that he'd knuckled down and was living the life etc etc

When you think it’s such a short career and if you don’t give it everything your going to be left with regrets later in life hopefully there all thinking that way no matter what level you are at .

You can always get pissed and eat shit food once you retire loads of time for all of that

7 hours ago, meanderson93 said:

Assume it'll take a bid of £10m+ to get ACD, it'll either be a recently relegated Prem side like a Burnley or he'll go to Germany for a year or two.

If that doesn't happen I think there's a slim chance we get him on loan again for the year, probably deadline day.

Weirdly I see a scenario we could double his value if he’s keen to come back. This gives us the slim chance.

I think if they get to £10 though Brighton cash in.