Winding Up Orders

[kent_white]

Exactly . You are totally missing the point. Owning such a huge facility like the macron Stadium comes with huge overheads empty or full..

 

If you have a good well-paid job you can afford to run a large house. You can afford to heat it, power it and maintain it.if you lose that good job you may no longer be able to afford to run such a large house. whether a house is full or empty similar overheads still apply. Yes you may save a bit on electricity and heating but your rent and your council tax and maintenance don't really change .

 

My point is Bolton Wanderers currently have a job if you want to put it that way that barely keep their head above water. How could the club afford to keep hold of such a large facility in a lower league?

 

You see others manage. And yes they do but they tend to have huge revenues. It's an inherent problem with football stadiums. They are extremely expensive to build and maintain and also cover a large area which brings its own problems. It's very difficult to get any sort of stadium to pay its way. That is why a lot of stadiums her bill for multi purposes.

 

Look at Tranmere Rovers or Stockport County. Are you telling me right now but the people paying the bills bills football clubs which at this moment in time they had a little bit of a smaller ground .

 

Surely if Bolton Wanderers were relegated to league one Or kindred league two and ended up staying there, would the really be Able able to keep hold of Macron stadium.

must be near impossible.

Could you please make your analogy in cake form so that I can understand it. Thank you.

[MancWanderer]

Bagsy cleaning the windows.

 

£7 front and back.

 

  That really made me laugh

[Take Hunt Off]

Fucking hell I even though I loved Burnden I dont want to go back there.

 

Large overheads at Macron , but also income streams Hotel etc.

 

And to think many of our long gone

Supporters used to moan when the stadium was being built that it was too SMALL & that the club had no ambition !!

Edited November 11, 2017 by Take Hunt Off

[Mounts Kipper]

As a town if we can't afford the upkeep of a

Stadium that is paid for and as one of the biggest towns in England it's a poor doo. The council should get involved if stadium is ever up for sale it brings so much to the town and community it's a no brainier.

[ZiggyStardust]

As a town if we can't afford the upkeep of a

Stadium that is paid for and as one of the biggest towns in England it's a poor doo. The council should get involved if stadium is ever up for sale it brings so much to the town and community it's a no brainier.

fook me, that would make the reaction to Asons look like a teddy bears picnic.

[Mounts Kipper]

That really made me laugh

 

What that window cleaners actually do the back windows. ????

[MancWanderer]

Or the "frosted" ones on the toilet/bathroom where they think that you can't see the dirt when you're looking out....

[Sweep]

As a town if we can't afford the upkeep of a

Stadium that is paid for and as one of the biggest towns in England it's a poor doo. The council should get involved if stadium is ever up for sale it brings so much to the town and community it's a no brainier.

I half agree....but if as one of the biggest towns in the country, the inhabitants can't be arsed turning up and supporting the club, why the fuck should the council be arsed?

[Traf]

Why should the council prop up an ailing business?

[Carlos]

They've just been through that and got seriously burnt, that was just small change in comparison.

[Traf]

They've just been through that and got seriously burnt, that was just small change in comparison.

 

Exactly.

[gonzo]

My point is you are an idiot, if you don't see my point. Or do i have to feed it to you on a spoon?

I was having a laugh you fucking retard.

[gonzo]

Or the "frosted" ones on the toilet/bathroom where they think that you can't see the dirt when you're looking out....

[Morizio]

Yes. I was taking all that into Consideration. Even on a good day I would say 60% of the stadium is empty if you don't count the stands obviously.

In that 60% how much is the pitch a percentage?

 

Maybe we could have a 24 hour 5/6 day week car boot sale along with kite flying from the seats. That will fill in all the air above the pitch.

 

Then of course we could rent out all the stair cases for nifty fifty stair climbing exercises.

 

Have I forgot anywhere else of this 60%?

[Carlos]

Is day a 24 hour period, daylight hours or do you mean comulative?

[darrener]

I was having a laugh you fucking retard.

simple simon?

[Mounts Kipper]

Why should the council prop up an ailing business?

Because it generates millions of income for Bolton, unlike Asons.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Mounts Kipper

[Carlos]

Go on, how? Josh Vela spending in Bamboogy?

[frank_spencer]

Because it generates millions of income for Bolton, unlike Asons.

It barely generates millions in income for BWFC never mind Bolton itself.

 

Perhaps if we had 5/6 times as many people coming to the games and spending in local businesses.

[Mounts Kipper]

Go on, how? Josh Vela spending in Bamboogy?

Pubs, clubs, shops, hotels, restaraunts, train and bus all benefit on match days and 100s of jobs dependent on the clubs survival many who are employed by BWFC and spend their money in the local community, like I say it's worth millions to the Bolton economy and even more if we could somehow get back into the premier league.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Mounts Kipper

[Carlos]

Conversely you can argue all that money has been taken away from Bolton itself, as the stadium is fucking miles away. Middlebrook looks to be doing well without BWFC, I doubt Bolton Council need to prop it up, when the centre of town is a slum.

[Mounts Kipper]

Conversely you can argue all that money has been taken away from Bolton itself, as the stadium is fucking miles away. Middlebrook looks to be doing well without BWFC, I doubt Bolton Council need to prop it up, when the centre of town is a slum.

That's a decision for the council and the public of Bolton who have the power to vote in councillors who can lobby for more money to be spent on the town centre, what isn't up for debate is the fact the club brings money into the borough of Bolton and without it the town and community would be poorer, take for example the death of the area around Burnden after the club left it turned into a wasteland and still hasn't recovered from the loss of money fans spent in that area. Finally I'd love it if Bolton ever came back to Bolton town centre however I think I'll be long gone by then.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Mounts Kipper

[Sluffy]

Pubs, clubs, shops, hotels, restaraunts, train and bus all benefit on match days and 100s of jobs dependent on the clubs survival many who are employed by BWFC and spend their money in the local community, like I say it's worth millions to the Bolton economy and even more if we could somehow get back into the premier league.

 

I think you're wildly off with this mate,

 

Yes some money will be attracted into the local economy but nothing like you make out.

 

Think of it logically - what is our average home gate - let's say 20,000 for arguments sake - how many of them will be away supporters - lets say 4,000 again for arguments sake - happy with this as something to base figures on?

 

So lets look at the demand for hotels - most home supporters won't need them, most away supporters (particularly clubs within a few hours drive of Bolton won't need them either.  Even those that would may choose to book an hotel away from Bolton and stay say in Manchester for a better evening out experience for example.

 

Same with restaurants/eating out - yes you will get people eating/drinking near/in the ground but many also will go home to eat or go on away from Bolton to do so.

 

Do they still put on special trains and buses for matches?  Many will simply drive to the ground or park nearby and walk in.  Away fans coaches will pull up to the ground and drive off immediately afterwards.

 

Do people go to the match and do their shopping at the same time - not many would I suspect and away visitors would more than likely go to Manchester or some place else on their journey to and from the game.

 

I'd hazard a guess of about 10% going to the game buying anything other than a pie and a pint or similar (or filling up their car with fuel) in or near the ground and a significantly lower percentage using hotels or restaurants within the Borough.

 

Add to that we are only talking of about 26, 27 or so home games including cup matches - which about 10 or so would be midweek evening games - thus attracting much smaller crowds.

 

Also the reverse of the coin is that many of those that do benefit from the money coming in from games do not necessarily stay to spend this money in Bolton.  How many club employees actually live in the borough for example?  

 

I think in reality the economic effect on Bolton as a town would be fairly minimal based on trade being brought to it from those going to/from the match in Horwich.

 

 

As for the Council financially 'propping' up the club - local government doesn't work that way.  Council's are only permitted in law to spend money on prescribed services - running and or sustaining the local football team is not one of them.

 

No doubt money could be found help economic development in the area of the club or some such but handing the club money to pay the bills simply cannot happen - it would be illegal to do so - something called ultra vires.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

When the macron was built part of the reason for it and within its design was the multi purpose facilities for income generation.

The upkeep of the stadium- if we're talking about the stands, apart from clearing post match litter, involves relatively little. Occasional painting, some maintenance and insurance checks etc. This would also be required in a smaller stadium, admittedly at a smaller cost, but would hinder the club in terms of non football related income generation.

The proximity of the club to the motorway network and the additions facilities in and around the ground also raise its profile and suitability for many functions.

 

As much as it might be nice to go back into the town centre, let's not forget access- the A666 is relatively small and was cack when large number of visiting fans came.

Also check the crowds that came last season in the third division and compare to the last time we were there; as things stand we have a magnificent stadium that works for the club.

Ken's biggest successes have come in re negotiating stupid, costly contracts, reducing the wage bill; getting the costs down.

Continuing to maximise non football income will be essential and moving to a smaller site in town doesn't make any sense.

Its also small time thinking with regards to football matters (albeit that pragmatism may push this into second place)

[Mounts Kipper]

 

Here's an article wrote few years back when in the premier league admittedly but it's quite clear the club is worth millions to the Bolton economy.

 

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/business/curryclub/9276761.Bolton_Wanderers_brings_up_to___35m_for_local_economy/

Edited November 12, 2017 by Mounts Kipper