bwfcfan5 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It was at the conference Kent. No billionaires. before he started a chant about the nhs of “not for sale not for sale” again not sure who exactly has intimated the nhs is for sale other then jezza chanting outside Westminster by a bunch of fuckwits with vacuums for lives is bad enough but the leader of a major political party being cheerleader to a chant about the nhs? And folk think this is ok behavior. Channel 4 documentary shown this week certainly made those allegations. I strongly suspect with a majority the Tories will rapidly push increasing NHS competition and sell off. The chant was good imo. It’s exactly what I’d want the Labour Party to be doing. The problem is then tweeting nonsense about a fair society not including billionaires. Attack those that abuse the system not just those who are successful. As ever with Corbyn it’s not the ideas as to how he presents them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, kent_white said: Boris talks bullshit though. He's demonstrated that already. And what happens once BJ leaves and the next Tory leader comes in? Don't trust them on the NHS sadly. There is not a chance in hell that that the Tories would get away with selling the NHS, the Labour Party know that they can make political mileage from continually spouting this rubbish, sadly some fools believe it, most sensible folk can see right through it. Edited November 2, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Channel 4 documentary shown this week certainly made those allegations. I strongly suspect with a majority the Tories will rapidly push increasing NHS competition and sell off. The chant was good imo. It’s exactly what I’d want the Labour Party to be doing. The problem is then tweeting nonsense about a fair society not including billionaires. Attack those that abuse the system not just those who are successful. As ever with Corbyn it’s not the ideas as to how he presents them. Again why wait until now to sell it off? They’ve had ample opportunity under strong tory governments before. Scaremongering chanting and cheerleading by a political leader is Pathetic in my opinion. Utterly headscratchingly pathetic. He’s an old man for fuck sake. amazes me how people of supposed intelligence get sucked in by it all really. I would’nt expect it at my company’s annual conference so why is it acceptable there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: There is not a chance in hell that that the Tories would get away with selling the NHS, the Labour Party know that they can make political mileage from continually spouting this rubbish, sadly some fools believe it, most sensible folk can see right through it. There's plenty of fools who disagree with you. And plenty of those fools work for the NHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Again why wait until now to sell it off? They’ve had ample opportunity under strong tory governments before. Scaremongering chanting and cheerleading by a political leader is Pathetic in my opinion. Utterly headscratchingly pathetic. He’s an old man for fuck sake. amazes me how people of supposed intelligence get sucked in by it all really. I would’nt expect it at my company’s annual conference so why is it acceptable there. Lock her up. Lock her up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, kent_white said: Lock her up. Lock her up. Agreed its all horrific and just shows what modern politics has come to. Shambles with utter sheisters involved. jimmy krankie leading a pro independence rally in Scotland later on the same topic. heres hoping for an earthquake or something. Edited November 2, 2019 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Agreed its all horrific and just shows what modern politics has come to. Shambles with utter sheisters involved. jimmy krankie leading a pro independence rally in Scotland later on the same topic. heres hoping for an earthquake or something. I still think singing the red flag and calling each other comrade is massively counterproductive as well. They could do with leaving all that bollocks behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, kent_white said: I still think singing the red flag and calling each other comrade is massively counterproductive as well. They could do with leaving all that bollocks behind. not quite the same but made me laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, kent_white said: There's plenty of fools who disagree with you. And plenty of those fools work for the NHS. Brainwashed by Jeremy. What’s more I expect Tories to run the economy better and be able to invest more into the NHS than labour. Edited November 2, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Brainwashed by Jeremy. What’s more I expect Tories to run the economy better and be able to invest more into the NHS than labour. Not really. They've made a judgement by being on the front line for 30 odd years. You know best though obviously. By the way - we're supposed to be the patronising ones??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Not really. They've made a judgement by being on the front line for 30 odd years. You know best though obviously. By the way - we're supposed to be the patronising ones??? Well let’s see if a Tory government run on a manifesto for privatisation of the nhs shall we, not a chance, rest easy. Edited November 2, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Well let’s see if a Tory government run on a manifesto for privatisation of the nhs shall we, not a chance, rest easy. Course they won't. It would be suicide. It will continue to be death by a thousand cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, kent_white said: Course they won't. It would be suicide. It will continue to be death by a thousand cuts. Hasn’t spending risen every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Hasn’t spending risen every year? Not inline with inflation though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Escobarp said: Agreed its all horrific and just shows what modern politics has come to. Shambles with utter sheisters involved. jimmy krankie leading a pro independence rally in Scotland later on the same topic. heres hoping for an earthquake or something. Why did she go dressed as Elton John ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50274334 She must be gutted JC isn’t backing her eh mate ? I’m up here as we speak, quite amusing witnessing it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, frank_spencer said: Not inline with inflation though No, actually ahead of inflation https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: No, actually ahead of inflation https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ It’s Saturday night. And you have to start bringing facts into it. Stop not for sale not for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 2, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2019 Another JC made up fact. Tory party to sell of the NHS. Utter codswallop. What does it matter if American companies have greater access to our market for medicines and supplies? Plenty of countries currently do and no body minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Another JC made up fact. Tory party to sell of the NHS. Utter codswallop. What does it matter if American companies have greater access to our market for medicines and supplies? Plenty of countries currently do and no body minds. Precisely, some folk blinded by indoctrination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Another JC made up fact. Tory party to sell of the NHS. Utter codswallop. What does it matter if American companies have greater access to our market for medicines and supplies? Plenty of countries currently do and no body minds. He’s got so little to sell, he has no choice but to make stuff up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2980 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, boltondiver said: He’s got so little to sell, he has no choice but to make stuff up You mean he tells lies? Surely not, only conservatives tell lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, dave2980 said: You mean he tells lies? Surely not, only conservatives tell lies Well what we do know is boris lives rent free in a lot of folks heads on here that’s for sure. And he is ruining lives with his lies. despicable character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Alf Hartigan Posted November 2, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2019 52 minutes ago, boltondiver said: No, actually ahead of inflation https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/ If you read the full link it shows you how much less the Conservative governments since 1979 have invested in the NHS than Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 With regards to the Tories and the NHS it is frustrating to read so much ill informed stuff. In 2010 Cameron ran on basis of not reorganising or restructuring the NHS as it was at the time performing very well. Less than a month after winning the election his government launched the biggest top down reorganisation ever. And it was of absolutely zero benefits to patients. The grand aim of it was to take millions of NHS staff eventually out of NHS employment and into the private sector. It completely fragmented the service and left GPs responsible for commissioning. A nonsensical decision. But beyond that we’ve all read Boris front bench views on the NHS. We’ve seen what they are trying to do in secret. They won’t openly admit to it just like Cameron didn’t but it’s the Tory way. Lie and then decimate the NHS by a thousand cuts. Anyone who has been involved with it knows this. Headline promises or even spending commitments aren’t worth the paper they are written on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: With regards to the Tories and the NHS it is frustrating to read so much ill informed stuff. In 2010 Cameron ran on basis of not reorganising or restructuring the NHS as it was at the time performing very well. Less than a month after winning the election his government launched the biggest top down reorganisation ever. And it was of absolutely zero benefits to patients. The grand aim of it was to take millions of NHS staff eventually out of NHS employment and into the private sector. It completely fragmented the service and left GPs responsible for commissioning. A nonsensical decision. But beyond that we’ve all read Boris front bench views on the NHS. We’ve seen what they are trying to do in secret. They won’t openly admit to it just like Cameron didn’t but it’s the Tory way. Lie and then decimate the NHS by a thousand cuts. Anyone who has been involved with it knows this. Headline promises or even spending commitments aren’t worth the paper they are written on. Aside of your general weirdness, how many millions of employees do you think can be taken out of the NHS? 5? 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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