Guest Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I don't agree with him either. JRM comments earlier made sense. Having got a deal which parliament sort of agreed to, it renders no deal an unnecessary action. Ok, for some that's what they want, and that's their prerogative. Can't see it ever gaining enough momentum as a primary leave mechanism. Moreover, Boris stood on a leave with a deal pledge at the referendum. Be foolhardy to change that no. I really think Farage is just being a bit of a thruster to get some MPs in the hoc. He's not daft. There’s plenty of good legal advice which shows that it is Brexit. Farage has got himself into a corner, as have the Libdems. Only 2 parties are capable of a majority Quote
Guest Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: What a surprise from him. The man who prorogued to stop an investigation. As for his comments; not a clue about Gove- never heard him comment. As for Boris- can't remember exactly, but did he once mention about folk paying to see a GP? Might have been him, or maybe someone else. Don't agree with that, but it's hardly a sell off. See this is the worst thing about politics. Someone says something you don't agree with and its straight to some irrelevant "whataboutism". Not even a relevant one. You see it on twitter all the time - Blair talks about Brexit - "what about WMDs Tony found them yet?". Its absolute bullshit. People are allowed to agree with someone's view without subscribing to everything they say or do or supporting it. I certainly disagree with Corbyn on many things but his point re NHS is very valid especially with the history of comments from Raab, Truss etc... I'll predict something. The people like you saying "they'll never increase privatisation or open up the market to US providers in a trade deal - they'd be mad to do something unpopular" will be the first, the very first to defend those moves when they happen. Bookmark this. I'm completely certain of it. Quote
leigh white Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: This guy is genius! Pissing myself, and they call Abbott. Quote
birch-chorley Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: There’s plenty of good legal advice which shows that it is Brexit. Farage has got himself into a corner, as have the Libdems. Only 2 parties are capable of a majority I doubt any party is capable of a majority, certainly a working one. The Tories have the best chance looking at the polling but they are set to lose seats to the SNP in the North and Lib Dem’s in the South East They will take a few in the midlands & North from Labour but not enough IMO Whilst they lead the Polls they are still a good 5%-10% behind what TM got at the last election and that was seen as a disaster! Quote
Sweep Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, boltondiver said: There’s plenty of good legal advice which shows that it is Brexit. Farage has got himself into a corner, as have the Libdems. I wonder how the Brexit Party will do in the GE. One, maybe two seats at the most? I'm not sure they'll have the impact that Farage thinks they will, certainly with regards to winning actual seats Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, Sweep said: I wonder how the Brexit Party will do in the GE. One, maybe two seats at the most? I'm not sure they'll have the impact that Farage thinks they will, certainly with regards to winning actual seats Reckon that will depend on how Boris's campaign is viewed. BP seems very much a one issue party: if the others can expand the debate, and the conservatives promote the deal well then it may reduce his appeal. Quote
Guest Posted November 4, 2019 Posted November 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, Sweep said: I wonder how the Brexit Party will do in the GE. One, maybe two seats at the most? I'm not sure they'll have the impact that Farage thinks they will, certainly with regards to winning actual seats My earlier prediction of 20 looks too high Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted November 5, 2019 Posted November 5, 2019 10 hours ago, boltondiver said: Nice letter from Boris to Corbyn Filed in the bin. Quote
kent_white Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 Seem to remember this 'story' doing the rounds on here a few weeks back. Interesting to see how this stuff spreads..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148 Quote
Sweep Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Seem to remember this 'story' doing the rounds on here a few weeks back. Interesting to see how this stuff spreads..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148 Aye, I think Miami referred to it a few times - as we know though, he only deals in FACTS and does "deep research", so the BBC story mustn't be true 😀 Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 41 minutes ago, kent_white said: Seem to remember this 'story' doing the rounds on here a few weeks back. Interesting to see how this stuff spreads..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-50160148 Not sure what the article is trying to prove, Transparency received 3.4 milllion of EU money whether it’s the U.K. or Berlin office does not matter. Seems a long winded article for no real reason. Quote
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 44 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Not sure what the article is trying to prove, Transparency received 3.4 milllion of EU money whether it’s the U.K. or Berlin office does not matter. Seems a long winded article for no real reason. It funded an international NGO he works for. So what? I bet half the people on here have worked for organisations that have received some EU funding at some point. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said: It funded an international NGO he works for. So what? I bet half the people on here have worked for organisations that have received some EU funding at some point. My point is it’s hardly fake news. Quote
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: My point is it’s hardly fake news. It made out like he received millions from the EU. When in fact it was his employer who is a very large organisation - and in fact his branch saw hardly any of it. So yes it was fake news. Complete and utter nonsense designed to mislead and obfuscate. Quote
Escobarp Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said: It made out like he received millions from the EU. When in fact it was his employer who is a very large organisation - and in fact his branch saw hardly any of it. So yes it was fake news. Complete and utter nonsense designed to mislead and obfuscate. If that funding to the company stops the impact on his job is obvious. So hardly fake. But you believe what you want. if this was a Tory you would be frothing at the mouth Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: It made out like he received millions from the EU. When in fact it was his employer who is a very large organisation - and in fact his branch saw hardly any of it. So yes it was fake news. Complete and utter nonsense designed to mislead and obfuscate. The tweet wasn’t misleading if you read the tweet and the full content, seems a long winded article from the BBC website and I have to ask why. Edited November 6, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: If that funding to the company stops the impact on his job is obvious. So hardly fake. But you believe what you want. if this was a Tory you would be frothing at the mouth https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/~ Read that. And many other blog type entries. Its complete nonsense by some far left crackpots. And you know it. Making out its "his company" when it is an NGO and he's part of the UK arm. Quote
kent_white Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/~ Read that. And many other blog type entries. Its complete nonsense by some far left crackpots. And you know it. Making out its "his company" when it is an NGO and he's part of the UK arm. Exactly - this is what happens when people rely on the majority of their news/facts/opinions from Twitter feeds. Quote
Escobarp Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declare-family-company-was-given-3-5m-euro-by-the-european-union/~ Read that. And many other blog type entries. Its complete nonsense by some far left crackpots. And you know it. Making out its "his company" when it is an NGO and he's part of the UK arm. I don’t read shit like this. And am certainly not going to start now thanks though. Quote
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I don’t read shit like this. And am certainly not going to start now thanks though. But that's where this story came from. And all the people quoting it etc....it was and is fake news. "family company". And the point is people were claiming "its not fake news" even when the facts are pointed out. Shows how damaged this country's news reporting is and the dangers of online proliferation of nonsense. Edited November 6, 2019 by bwfcfan5 Quote
Escobarp Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: But that's where this story came from. And all the people quoting it etc....it was and is fake news. "family company". And the point is people were claiming "its not fake news" even when the facts are pointed out. Shows how damaged this country's news reporting is and the dangers of online proliferation of nonsense. As I’ve stated. I don’t read shit like this don’t and never will I’m not disputing there will be nonsense in there. It’s what journalists Do sadly but ultimately if he works for company A and company A receives Massive income Be it directly or indirectly from any source then he will have a vested interest in the ongoing relationship with that source. That’s basic business and just life. don’t bother trying to tell me any different please Quote
Guest Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Escobarp said: As I’ve stated. I don’t read shit like this don’t and never will I’m not disputing there will be nonsense in there. It’s what journalists Do sadly but ultimately if he works for company A and company A receives Massive income Be it directly or indirectly from any source then he will have a vested interest in the ongoing relationship with that source. That’s basic business and just life. don’t bother trying to tell me any different please I mean that's completely disingenuous and you know it. It completely ignores a false story spreading like wildfire and presented incorrect information. You have Brexiteers financially backing the leave campaign then betting against the pound to increase their personal wealth. That's direct. Stories making out the Swinson's are swimming on a sea of EU money - pretending "his company that he "runs" received millions from the EU is absolute baloney. People all over the country work for businesses that receive EU grants. And I'm sure many of them are worried and might prefer us to stay. That is completely different to the stories online. Don't bother trying to tell me any different please. Quote
Escobarp Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I mean that's completely disingenuous and you know it. It completely ignores a false story spreading like wildfire and presented incorrect information. You have Brexiteers financially backing the leave campaign then betting against the pound to increase their personal wealth. That's direct. Stories making out the Swinson's are swimming on a sea of EU money - pretending "his company that he "runs" received millions from the EU is absolute baloney. People all over the country work for businesses that receive EU grants. And I'm sure many of them are worried and might prefer us to stay. That is completely different to the stories online. Don't bother trying to tell me any different please. Do what I do don’t fucking read them. Why sit complaining about about something when you have the power to avoid it? You’re not stupid I don’t believe yet you repeatedly do something that winds you up. Why. I learnt this along time ago and it really helped me miamis links are the perfect example. I choose not to read them like anything political on here as it will be spun one way or the other you and many others read them get your knickers in a twist scream and shout and get into a frenzy don’t read them it’s really that simple Edited November 6, 2019 by Escobarp Quote
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