mickbrown Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, royal white said: Fixed it for you Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, royal white said: Fixed it for you Assume you're referring to the Leavers who literally whinged and moaned for decades before Brexit, and are still moaning now because "This isn't the type of Brexit we voted for!"? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: Assume you're referring to the Leavers who literally whinged and moaned for decades before Brexit, and are still moaning now because "This isn't the type of Brexit we voted for!"? 🤔 You assumed wrong. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, royal white said: You assumed wrong. Again. Ah, so you're referring to everyone who said Brexit would be an utter shitshow, and have now been proven correct. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: Ah, so you're referring to everyone who said Brexit would be an utter shitshow, and have now been proven correct. Got it. The ones looking for every negative in life they can tag with Brexit. Yep the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Not for anyone who’s main reason for leaving was to not be part of a federal European project. why? i suspect you will have difficulty with that as you wont be explain what a 'federal europen project' actually means its just lazy ukip cliches all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 17, 2023 Moderators Share Posted May 17, 2023 and, on immigration, the vast majority is HKers, Ukraines and students not shoe bombers, rayguns or invaders on dinghies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Casino said: why? i suspect you will have difficulty with that as you wont be explain what a 'federal europen project' actually means its just lazy ukip cliches all the way Increase in centralised government from Brussels and Strasbourg, more power to the EU and less to UK parliament, EU army, ever increasing payments to the EU, more rules and regulations, less control over who we want to immigrate, in short I’d prefer us to be making the decisions and not The EU. It’s not a tough question to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Increase in centralised government from Brussels and Strasbourg, more power to the EU and less to UK parliament, EU army, ever increasing payments to the EU, more rules and regulations, less control over who we want to immigrate, in short I’d prefer us to be making the decisions and not The EU. It’s not a tough question to answer. Look who’s making those decisions. I’m starting to think we can’t be trusted. Like a baby that’s shit it’s nappy and has started moving it around until it’s all up it’s back and down its legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Increase in centralised government from Brussels and Strasbourg There wasn't moves for this, it was everyone working in partnership more power to the EU and less to UK parliament Often wrongly trotted out, there was nothing stopping the UK goverment being in control of the UK EU army, Currently doesn't exsist. Personally, I've yet to hear an arguement against joining up with our closest neighbours on matters of defence, other than it might undermine NATO. ever increasing payments to the EU To help our people as well, and the contient as a whole - disaster! more rules and regulations What rules and regs - which ones are you dead set against? less control over who we want to immigrate Well, look how well it's been going since we left in short I’d prefer us to be making the decisions and not The EU. We always did. Always. 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s not a tough question to answer. It is a bit though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Read this and see how it’s morphed from the original idea. Justifying my comments on it being a creeping federalism. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/common-market-founded Edited May 17, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 So an organisation has changed since 1957 to fit in with the needs of a changing world? You mention 'creeping federalism' what specifically is it that upsets you so much, given the all benefits we had been had being part of the EU project? Or was it just purely emotion that pushed you to vote leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Spider said: Look who’s making those decisions. I’m starting to think we can’t be trusted. Like a baby that’s shit it’s nappy and has started moving it around until it’s all up it’s back and down its legs. Aye, it’s good we can see the shit down the legs, perhaps it’ll make folk think long and hard and political parties act in the best interest of the country rather than their paymaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted May 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2023 We also had a veto over many things didn't we if we wanted to exercise that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: So an organisation has changed since 1957 to fit in with the needs of a changing world? You mention 'creeping federalism' what specifically is it that upsets you so much, given the all benefits we had been had being part of the EU project? Or was it just purely emotion that pushed you to vote leave? I prefer the balance of power in our hands rather than a hotpotch of nations, many who can’t wipe their own arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I prefer the balance of power in our hands rather than a hotpotch of nations, many who can’t wipe their own arse. So, isolationism over partnership working with our nearest countries? And these countries that 'can't wipe their own arse' - would you be refering to the small nations that are part of the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Winchester White said: We also had a veto over many things didn't we if we wanted to exercise that right? Yup. The power was never away from Wetminister. Although given the last 13 years, maybe 'those countires that can't wipe their arse' would do a better job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: That’s the challenge and the UK government need to be all over it, not sure where they are up to on developing a battery factory here in the UK. (I’d better do some research) We're not, at present, anywhere near the races with regards to having large scale battery factories here, and I'm not sure we every will be, we're absolutely miles behind the competition. If the future is EVS, and I'm not overly convinced it is, then the UK won't be part of it, in a manufacturing capacity. Hopefully the decision to ban sales of new petrol/diesel vehicles will be pushed back a couple of decades, so we can keep a decent level of car manufacturing here in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Increase in centralised government from Brussels and Strasbourg, more power to the EU and less to UK parliament, EU army, ever increasing payments to the EU, more rules and regulations, less control over who we want to immigrate, in short I’d prefer us to be making the decisions and not The EU. It’s not a tough question to answer. I get some of them, I don't agree with them all, but understand why some people don't like the thought of certain aspects. The one I don't get, and Miami for some reason seemed to be petrified of it, was the "EU Army" bit. As far as I'm aware it doesn't exist, and if it did, what's the problem in being part of it. You can almost guarantee that if one does come into being, we'll still end up being a part of it Edited May 17, 2023 by Sweep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted May 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Sweep said: We're not, at present, anywhere near the races with regards to having large scale battery factories here, and I'm not sure we every will be, we're absolutely miles behind the competition. If the future is EVS, and I'm not overly convinced it is, then the UK won't be part of it, in a manufacturing capacity. Hopefully the decision to ban sales of new petrol/diesel vehicles will be pushed back a couple of decades, so we can keep a decent level of car manufacturing here in the UK All roads lead to many big players pulling out at the moment which is really bad news and I hope it doesn't happen. But as we know, this government is tired of listening to experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Sweep said: I get some of them, I don't agree with them all, but understand why some people don't like the thought of certain aspects. The one I don't get, and Miami for some reason seemed to be petrified of it, was the "EU Army" bit. As far as I'm aware it doesn't exist, and if it did, what's the printemps in being part of it. You can almost guarantee that if one does come into being, we'll still end up being a part of it I think the EU army is a step to far for many folk and points towards further EU integration, NATO should suffice in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 17, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I think the EU army is a step to far for many folk and points towards further EU integration, NATO should suffice in that respect. Just a reminder - there is no "EU Army", and never will be in any of our lifetimes. Putting that to one side, why are you against a hypothetical "EU Army", yet you don't have a problem with NATO? What's the glaring difference that I'm missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, Cheese said: Just a reminder - there is no "EU Army", and never will be in any of our lifetimes. Putting that to one side, why are you against a hypothetical "EU Army", yet you don't have a problem with NATO? What's the glaring difference that I'm missing? I think the EU Army, can at present be treated like "Turkey will soon join the EU" line that was trotted out. Neither will happen for a very, very long time. If ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Just now, Sweep said: I think the EU Army, can at present be treated like "Turkey will soon join the EU" line that was trotted out. Neither will happen for a very, very long time. If ever. So bullshit then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Cheese said: Just a reminder - there is no "EU Army", and never will be in any of our lifetimes. Putting that to one side, why are you against a hypothetical "EU Army", yet you don't have a problem with NATO? What's the glaring difference that I'm missing? NATO isn’t controlled by the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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