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[bolty58]

6 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

They've been sucked into a cult.

It's like trying to dissuade Tom Cruise believing in Ron Jeremy or The Moomins that Bank Ki Moon isn't a living God. Pointless.

Aye. That Gina Miller, the SNP, LibDems etc. have a lot to answer for.

[Mounts Kipper]

34 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Schooled. Unfortunately the propaganda fed to these Brexiteers on a daily basis means they forget these facts. Or are completely blind to them. 

I am quite aware of who asked for the backstop and that’s why she was booted out. 

[Youri McAnespie]

Most normal folk couldn't give a fuck about being in the EU. They are just averse to the inconveniences and likely economic downturn that come with leaving.

When they come the Brexshit cultists will have ready-made excuses that it's because of Gina Miller and Windy Miller and anyone but them why it's gone tits up.

I'll gladly admit to being wrong if it's all milk and honey - not one of the Brexit lot will if (when) it turns to shit. I thought BD might, but I fear he's been lost into the Cult an' all...

[Mounts Kipper]

43 minutes ago, fatolive said:

The Backstop was a British government solution proposed to and accepted by the EU but then rejected by Britain

the original customs union  for NI put forward was accepted by them but then rejected after DUP rejected it 

it’s up to Britain to come up with an alternative 

 

It looks likely the dup will accept a time limited backstop, that should give time to work on a combination of solutions to get this done and move forward. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Youri McAnespie]

And another thing, will blue passport bellends with plenty of time left on their burgundy passports please refrain from unnecessarily renewing.

Shitloads of normal people will have to renew early because of this debacle, some of which have many trips planned so need quick turnovers, gracias amigos.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Most normal folk couldn't give a fuck about being in the EU. They are just averse to the inconveniences and likely economic downturn that come with leaving.

When they come the Brexshit cultists will have ready-made excuses that it's because of Gina Miller and Windy Miller and anyone but them why it's gone tits up.

I'll gladly admit to being wrong if it's all milk and honey - not one of the Brexit lot will if (when) it turns to shit. I thought BD might, but I fear he's been lost into the Cult an' all...

Of course I would, I always said I would.

I hope it won’t, if we ever leave, mind.

[Youri McAnespie]

I think most hope it goes well if we leave, if we leave. What kind of moron would welcome penury with the only bonus a smug 'told you so'?

I'm glad you're still willing to do the honourable thing but hope you won't have to.

I didn't think it should have gone to a referendum. I abstained because I saw merits and disadvantages in both arguments and didn't fully comprehend the entire issue.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

I think most hope it goes well if we leave, if we leave. What kind of moron would welcome penury with the only bonus a smug 'told you so'?

I'm glad you're still willing to do the honourable thing but hope you won't have to.

I didn't think it should have gone to a referendum. I abstained because I saw merits and disadvantages in both arguments and didn't fully comprehend the entire issue.

The problem is that even though post referendum we've flatlined the economy to all intents and purposes, the value of the pound has sunk and in reality an immediate recession was likely only avoided by the BoEs quantitative easing in the aftermath of the vote you still have Brexiteers saying "look it was all lies the sky didn't fall in". 

Even in the pro Brexit most optimistic projections we are going to be worse off as a nation economically for a good number of years (JRM reckoned on 50). How badly worse off and how that translates into people's livelihoods etc will be dependent upon the nature of exit, a lot of economic factors, policy and circumstance. But there is no argument at all that Brexit is good for the economy. The argument is dead. Which ironically we'll also all be before we get to a break even point. Also by which point the global challenge will be displacement of people as sea levels start to erode cities. 

[Youri McAnespie]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The problem is that even though post referendum we've flatlined the economy to all intents and purposes, the value of the pound has sunk and in reality an immediate recession was likely only avoided by the BoEs quantitative easing in the aftermath of the vote you still have Brexiteers saying "look it was all lies the sky didn't fall in". 

Even in the pro Brexit most optimistic projections we are going to be worse off as a nation economically for a good number of years (JRM reckoned on 50). How badly worse off and how that translates into people's livelihoods etc will be dependent upon the nature of exit, a lot of economic factors, policy and circumstance. But there is no argument at all that Brexit is good for the economy. The argument is dead. Which ironically we'll also all be before we get to a break even point. Also by which point the global challenge will be displacement of people as sea levels start to erode cities. 

Be reet.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Be reet.

Depends on definition. We're going to be worse off (we are already - GDP is significantly lower than it would have been) and whilst many won't necessarily feel that lots will. But it will be blamed on anything but Brexit. Because its all lies and propaganda now.

I noted that the value of the pound rose moments after the supreme court judgement last week. Shows how ridiculous this all is - usually government authority being questioned by courts would result in a dip. 

[TM Trotter]

26 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

I think most hope it goes well if we leave, if we leave. What kind of moron would welcome penury with the only bonus a smug 'told you so'?

I'm glad you're still willing to do the honourable thing but hope you won't have to.

I didn't think it should have gone to a referendum. I abstained because I saw merits and disadvantages in both arguments and didn't fully comprehend the entire issue.

Probably the most sensible admission I've seen from any poster on here, on any side of the debate. 

Nobody knew for sure what they were voting for, no matter what they voted. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying to suit their agenda, or very delusional. ('In my opinion', of course, because the likes of Dave Bloggs the shelf-stacker from Radcliffe is infinitely well versed in macroeconomics and knew the exact implications of a Leave vote in 2016.)

I voted to remain because I was happy enough with the stability of the status quo, and couldn't figure out a tangible benefit of leaving that wasn't blatant bullshit isolationist Cummings propaganda lying about waves of scary Turks coming over to squat in your attic.

[Salford Trotter]

33 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Probably the most sensible admission I've seen from any poster on here, on any side of the debate. 

Nobody knew for sure what they were voting for, no matter what they voted. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying to suit their agenda, or very delusional. ('In my opinion', of course, because the likes of Dave Bloggs the shelf-stacker from Radcliffe is infinitely well versed in macroeconomics and knew the exact implications of a Leave vote in 2016.)

I voted to remain because I was happy enough with the stability of the status quo, and couldn't figure out a tangible benefit of leaving that wasn't blatant bullshit isolationist Cummings propaganda lying about waves of scary Turks coming over to squat in your attic.

And Cummings subsequently admitted his lies won the referendum

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

And Cummings subsequently admitted his lies won the referendum

You still blubbering... lamentable. 

[Ani]

41 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Probably the most sensible admission I've seen from any poster on here, on any side of the debate. 

Nobody knew for sure what they were voting for, no matter what they voted. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying to suit their agenda, or very delusional. ('In my opinion', of course, because the likes of Dave Bloggs the shelf-stacker from Radcliffe is infinitely well versed in macroeconomics and knew the exact implications of a Leave vote in 2016.)

I voted to remain because I was happy enough with the stability of the status quo, and couldn't figure out a tangible benefit of leaving that wasn't blatant bullshit isolationist Cummings propaganda lying about waves of scary Turks coming over to squat in your attic.

So if someone was not happy with status quo, living a economically deprived area with shit prospects surely they should vote Leave by your logic ? Look at the results that is what happened. Because then of the type of areas these people are described as thick. Millions of people who normally do not vote did. 

[Guest]

I knew what I was voting for, thank you very much!

[Salford Trotter]

29 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You still blubbering... lamentable. 

It's the truth but with your fingers in yours ears you won't hear it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html%3famp

Edited September 30, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Moon boy]

The endless argument over why Leavers voted leave and Remainers voted Remain is irrelevant bollocks, in this Country it’s ‘one man one vote’,( excluding certain ares of Bolton) the great unwashed felt so strongly about the EU they got off their arses and went out and voted, the result was clear, their motives are no one else’s business, so until the result of the Referendum is implemented chaos and uncertainty will continue 

Get Brexit done

[Sweep]

18 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I knew what I was voting for, thank you very much!

Give yourself a gold star

I reckon that loads of people, on both sides, didn't have a fucking clue what they were voting for, I'm sure that you'll suggest that everybody 100% did know, because they got a leaflet through their door though.

[Sweep]

Just now, Moon boy said:

The endless argument over why Leavers voted leave and Remainers voted Remain is irrelevant bollocks

True, no point bleating about it now, 3 years after the result - sadly though, there's still a long way to go, so plenty of time for Remainers to moan, and also plenty of time for Leavers to complain that what ever deal we agree, isn't "Brexity" enough......and round and round we go for the next decade or so. 

The worrying thing is that leaving is supposed to be the easy bit......we've still got to talk trade deals yet..........

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Give yourself a gold star

I reckon that loads of people, on both sides, didn't have a fucking clue what they were voting for, I'm sure that you'll suggest that everybody 100% did know, because they got a leaflet through their door though.

No, I wouldn’t suggest that.

[Moon boy]

6 minutes ago, Sweep said:

True, no point bleating about it now, 3 years after the result - sadly though, there's still a long way to go, so plenty of time for Remainers to moan, and also plenty of time for Leavers to complain that what ever deal we agree, isn't "Brexity" enough......and round and round we go for the next decade or so. 

The worrying thing is that leaving is supposed to be the easy bit......we've still got to talk trade deals yet..........

Leaving IS the easy bit and that’s what’s happening on October 31st

[Mounts Kipper]

28 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

It's the truth but with your fingers in yours ears you won't hear it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html%3famp

That article was wrote in 2016, Bregret 😂🤣😂 the fact is the country’s opinion is STILL close to the same opinion as it was then, lies or no lies, folk have heard it all and are extremely well informed andvery few have changed their mind, therefore it’s time we left. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

Leaving IS the easy bit and that’s what’s happening on October 31st

I hope that you're right, I think that you're wrong though.

It's obviously not that easy, otherwise we'd have left last time you said we were definitely leaving (March 2019)

Do you think it'll be with a deal, or without one, when we leave at the end of October?

Edited September 30, 2019 by Sweep

[Salford Trotter]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That article was wrote in 2016, Bregret 😂🤣😂 the fact is the country’s opinion is STILL close to the same opinion as it was then, lies or no lies, folk have heard it all and ate extremely well informed andvery few have changed their mind, therefore it’s time we left. 

Check the opinion polls.. If we had a second referendum Remain would win 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Check the opinion polls.. If we had a second referendum Remain would win 

in all fairness, those same polls showed Remain winning last time.......I actually think Remain would win quite comfortably if there was another vote, not that I think there will be one.

Although if the polls went far enough to "Remain" then Boris would be doing another of his U-turns and campaign to stay, of that I've no doubt