Politics

[Casino]

38 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s sad when anyone loses their job, but let’s not forget the number of folk who lost their jobs because of us joining the EU, such as thousands and thousands of our fishermen. It works both ways. 

Cos the EU is the only thing to blame for the reduction in the uk fleet

Not the uk government selling rights to super trawlers, oft foreign owned, leaving fcuk all for the many traditional boats

 

[Salford Trotter]

11 minutes ago, fatolive said:

Doesn’t fill me with confidence if there’s any truth in this “idea “ , custom clearance centres ? 

 

The EU have already suggested that if that was the UK's official position then it would be rejected. 

[frank_spencer]

17 minutes ago, Casino said:

Cos the EU is the only thing to blame for the reduction in the uk fleet

Not the uk government selling rights to super trawlers, oft foreign owned, leaving fcuk all for the many traditional boats

 

Not forgetting those from the UK on the fisheries commission not turning up to do their job.

I wonder who that could be?🤔

[Farrelli]

26 minutes ago, Casino said:

Sounds like something a schoolkid could come up with

Anyway, lets see

Reminds me of one of Geoff's ideas in The League of Gentlemen.

[Not in Crawley]

4 hours ago, paulhanley said:

I see you're up to your old tricks again. Selectivism and airbrushing certain inconvenient parts of history. So - for the umpteenth time on here I shall remind you of what we now absolutely know are lies from the mouth of George Osborne and others as part of Project Fear. The very same Project Fear that continues to this day to peddle doom and gloom - the tune to which you wave your shroud on a daily basis. Remoan! Remoan! 

A vote to leave alone (not even actually leaving) would among other dire predictions:  

* cause an immediate and profound economic shock that would lead to four quarters of negative growth and, therefore a recession. LIE

* lead to unemployment increasing by about 500,000 in the wake of a Brexit vote. LIE. 

* would every family £4,300 worse off. LIE

* would lead to the necessity for an emergency budget LIE

How about Nick Clegg: "The idea of an EU army is a dangerous fantasy" - LIE

How about all of these characters who fervently wanted us to join the Euro? Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Ken Clarke, Nick Clegg, Chris Patten You know ... the Euro, the flagship of EU over-centralisation and federalism and totemic for every other project they have implemented or have in mind. Yes, that huge success story.

Then going right back to the early 1990s the same characters wanted us to join the Exchange Rate Mechanism. We did. It was another disaster. 

People with your EU rose tinted spectacle view of the world are a busted flush. We've seen through decades of your lies and bullshit. The leave campaign smells of roses compared to your abysmal track record. You and your ilk are a one trick pony. Lie through your back teeth and try to frighten people in to line. Nobody's listening any more. You're talking to yourselves in your echo chamber.

In short - a bunch of proven liars with a horrific track record of getting it wrong. Get your coat and leave the building.

 

You aren’t taking about people who want to remain in the EU though are you? You are really describing people whose political persuasions you don’t agree with, generally liberal centrists (if possible London based for extra elitism) 

Enjoy the time in the sun, sir.

[fatolive]

34 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

The EU have already suggested that if that was the UK's official position then it would be rejected. 

not surprised, it will probably be met with” the eu won’t even negotiate “ or similar when they do, but it really is a shite idea, if that is all they have come up with and it is in fact true. 

 

Surley they will have come up with something more than that, surley 

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, fatolive said:

not surprised, it will probably be met with” the eu won’t even negotiate “ or similar when they do, but it really is a shite idea, if that is all they have come up with and it is in fact true. 

 

Surley they will have come up with something more than that, surley 

Its all about the blame game now post brexit but if this proposal  is what we were led to believe was the 'great progress' that Johnson had made with the EU then that is a huge disappointment. Only a matter of time before there is VONC and a government of National Unity assumes control before extending the deal then we can have an election   

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, fatolive said:

not surprised, it will probably be met with” the eu won’t even negotiate “ or similar when they do, but it really is a shite idea, if that is all they have come up with and it is in fact true. 

 

Surley they will have come up with something more than that, surley 

Nope

At the risk of repeating myself, I deal (dealt) with customers in north and Southern Ireland.

There is nothing, fuck all, zero, zilch, nada, nowt, absolutely fucking nothing at all in place for Brexit at the border.

remember, the A1 crosses north/south at 17 points in a 4 mile stretch.

The notion of a hard border is just not workable in reality. 

(Reality is the bit most folk outside of ireland don’t get)

no deal would create a situation that is beyond carnage.

not project fear. Actual reality.

[TM Trotter]

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You say because of brexit, but earlier said companies just don't know which way we're going.

Perhaps if we'd left some time ago and got on with life then the uncertainty wouldn't have been such an issue.

Come off it!

Spider has just given an example of how Brexit has already negatively affected his employer, and some of his colleagues. What would leaving say, two years ago, with everyone holding hands and walking into the sunset with no deal (or a piss poor deal as the remaining EU members still wouldn't have to budge), have actually changed in that situation?

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As an aside, yes, some within Antifa are utter bellends (although I'm intrigued by that American dialect). However, using the same brush to jointly tar the pricks in the video and over 16m British people/libtards/snowflakes/MSM-reading remoaners is poisonous, and hardly conducive to the fantasyland united front Leavers say would have made the whole exit process oh-so-simple. 

Point-scoring based on a blinkered version of the truth. It's like being back in primary school, but in 2019, Leave.EU is somehow accepted as a political steering group. 

[bolty58]

I do hope Boris has some silver bullet no one has anticipated to kill this thing once and for all and deliver on the result.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I do hope Boris has some silver bullet no one has anticipated to kill this thing once and for all and deliver on the result.

Well, remainers seem a bit panicky, so it looks possible.

In broad terms, I have little confidence in this being our Independence Month, but fingers crossed

Edited October 1, 2019 by boltondiver

[paulhanley]

9 hours ago, kent_white said:

You forgot to paste 'Your liberal hegemony of the the past is over'

And so it is. Keep repeating that over and over. One day it might sink in.

[Spider]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

And so it is. Keep repeating that over and over. One day it might sink in.

Morning Paul

am I on ignore mate?

just interested in your opinion on my recent posts.

If you are unable to respond because facts like this don’t suit your argument, we’ll all completely understand. It’s difficult for you sometimes.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Spider

[Mounts Kipper]

8 hours ago, Casino said:

Cos the EU is the only thing to blame for the reduction in the uk fleet

Not the uk government selling rights to super trawlers, oft foreign owned, leaving fcuk all for the many traditional boats

 

The EU cut our fishing waters from 200 mile to 12 resulting in thousands of job losses and fishing towns being decimated, no need to discuss further. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 hours ago, TM Trotter said:

Come off it!

Spider has just given an example of how Brexit has already negatively affected his employer, and some of his colleagues. What would leaving say, two years ago, with everyone holding hands and walking into the sunset with no deal (or a piss poor deal as the remaining EU members still wouldn't have to budge), have actually changed in that situation?

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As an aside, yes, some within Antifa are utter bellends (although I'm intrigued by that American dialect). However, using the same brush to jointly tar the pricks in the video and over 16m British people/libtards/snowflakes/MSM-reading remoaners is poisonous, and hardly conducive to the fantasyland united front Leavers say would have made the whole exit process oh-so-simple. 

Point-scoring based on a blinkered version of the truth. It's like being back in primary school, but in 2019, Leave.EU is somehow accepted as a political steering group. 

No, some time ago before you appeared on here, he explained that some customers had gone elsewhere. Fair enough, no arguments.

However he has just stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that some are frankly fucked fucked off with the current situation as it's so uncertain. Understandable.

Until, all this is finally sorted no one knows whether those initial customers moved their business unnecessarily.

It may also provide for new opportunities.

Yes it's shit for his place, but lets see the bigger picture in a few years before pious screeching.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No, some time ago before you appeared on here, he explained that some customers had gone elsewhere. Fair enough, no arguments.

However he has just stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that some are frankly fucked fucked off with the current situation as it's so uncertain. Understandable.

Until, all this is finally sorted no one knows whether those initial customers moved their business unnecessarily.

It may also provide for new opportunities.

Yes it's shit for his place, but lets see the bigger picture in a few years before pious screeching.

And IF the big picture is a shocking mess? Then what? Its too late and we're all fecked. Even if its just a bit shit we're still having to suffer through. 

The problem here is that once we leave that is it. Going back in would be a long long process and we'd not get anything like the terms we currently enjoy. This is what people are, in your words "screeching". Because IF you believe leaving is a huge mistake for the country then you'd want to say so before it is too late. 

And the problem is that nobody can offer any evidence to suggest leaving won't be harmful. The degree to which it is harmful depends on many factors. And the Brexiteer answer now is "who cares we won the vote". But that doesn't mean people who fervently believe the country will be best off in (as a huge range of evidence suggests) should "shut up". Those people are patriots and want the best outcome for the country - they say what they believe. 

[fatolive]

10 hours ago, Spider said:

Nope

At the risk of repeating myself, I deal (dealt) with customers in north and Southern Ireland.

There is nothing, fuck all, zero, zilch, nada, nowt, absolutely fucking nothing at all in place for Brexit at the border.

remember, the A1 crosses north/south at 17 points in a 4 mile stretch.

The notion of a hard border is just not workable in reality. 

(Reality is the bit most folk outside of ireland don’t get)

no deal would create a situation that is beyond carnage.

not project fear. Actual reality.

Preaching to the converted there mate, fully aware of the border issue and complexity of it, highlighted it many times on here, it’s not a “ normal “border between two separate countries and in fact was never intended to be anything other than a jurisdiction line originally 

Anyway, Boris was on the radio this morning saying the leaked proposals are bunkum, he categorically said it wouldn’t involve custom centres away from the border as reported and intimated he has a cunning plan

so we’ll wait and see 

[TM Trotter]

16 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

And IF the big picture is a shocking mess? Then what? Its too late and we're all fecked. Even if its just a bit shit we're still having to suffer through. 

The problem here is that once we leave that is it. Going back in would be a long long process and we'd not get anything like the terms we currently enjoy. This is what people are, in your words "screeching". Because IF you believe leaving is a huge mistake for the country then you'd want to say so before it is too late. 

And the problem is that nobody can offer any evidence to suggest leaving won't be harmful. The degree to which it is harmful depends on many factors. And the Brexiteer answer now is "who cares we won the vote". But that doesn't mean people who fervently believe the country will be best off in (as a huge range of evidence suggests) should "shut up". Those people are patriots and want the best outcome for the country - they say what they believe. 

But it won't be a 'shocking mess' because Nigel, Man of the People, promised we'd all be able to grow magic money trees in our back yards once we're free from nasty EU tyranny.

You're such an England-hating traitor for having these negative, unhelpful thoughts!! Brexit means Brexit, shut up snowflake, you lost. 

[Winchester White]

The German car industry, citrus and tomato growers in Spain and wine makers in France and Italy will come to our rescue surely? Farage actually quoted them in the EU Parliament so it must be true?

[Mounts Kipper]

52 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

But it won't be a 'shocking mess' because Nigel, Man of the People, promised we'd all be able to grow magic money trees in our back yards once we're free from nasty EU tyranny.

You're such an England-hating traitor for having these negative, unhelpful thoughts!! Brexit means Brexit, shut up snowflake, you lost. 

Who did you and Fan 5 vote for in the GE? 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Sweep]

12 hours ago, fatolive said:

Doesn’t fill me with confidence if there’s any truth in this “idea “ , custom clearance centres ? 

 

Why will they not just use this technology solution that they reckon they have....... 

[Spider]

For what it’s worth, Brexit without the NI situation would probably have been done and dusted 2 years ago, and no quibbles from me.

However, it’s a reality we cannot escape. Unless we hand NI back to the Irish of course.

💣

[frank_spencer]

8 minutes ago, Spider said:

For what it’s worth, Brexit without the NI situation would probably have been done and dusted 2 years ago, and no quibbles from me.

However, it’s a reality we cannot escape. Unless we hand NI back to the Irish of course.

💣

Tell em all anyone who wants to be British has til October 2020 to move to the mainland then we'll hand NI back over.

Sorted

[Salford Trotter]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

For what it’s worth, Brexit without the NI situation would probably have been done and dusted 2 years ago, and no quibbles from me.

However, it’s a reality we cannot escape. Unless we hand NI back to the Irish of course.

💣

I don't remember NI even being mentioned in the campaigning upto the referendum vote. In fact I'd go as far to say that most voters, if you'd asked them, that they couldn't have explained the terms Customs Union and Single Market. 

[Traf]

11 hours ago, Spider said:

remember, the A1 crosses north/south at 17 points in a 4 mile stretch.

Just move the border.

Simple, really.

(well, simpler than trying to sort Brexit)