Politics

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Remember, I said there would be a deal. 

Remember I said I hoped we would get a deal

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

Remember I said I hoped we would get a deal

No, you said we wouldn’t get a deal. 

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

No, you said we wouldn’t get a deal. 

I said that if we insist on the  red lines that we have put in place then we wouldn't but of course that doesn't stop me wanting a deal, there is a big difference between the two positions

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It won’t be little Englanders who destroy the union it’ll be the Scottish nationalist party, with or without Brexit they have only one aim, of course it’ll be little Englanders fault. 

Always the victims.......

[Blondi]

 

[Winchester White]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

The US are our biggest trading partner.

 

Eh? You sure about that?

[Salford Trotter]

9 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Eh? You sure about that?

if you pick a single country then yes but as usual BD twists it 

[TM Trotter]

6 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I don’t care how the talks go. We go WTO and that’ll be that. Thanks for the 39 billion and the 1 billion per month. 

The UK exported £289bn tariff-free to the EU in 2018 (46% of our global exports, or 7x the divorce bill, or £5.5bn a week). 

We don't exactly have the best bargaining position, even if Boris somehow wriggles out of paying that often-quoted £39bn - a payment which pales into insignificance compared to the value of free European trade.

Never mind, think positive - we've got continuity arrangements for trading with the likes of Malawi, Belize and Kiribati!

Edited September 30, 2019 by TM Trotter

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Eh? You sure about that?

Yep, unless you call the EU a country, or an empire

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Yep, unless you call the EU a country, or an empire

And we have a massive surplus with the US and a large deficit with the EU; would you want to have more if that?

[Mounts Kipper]

6 hours ago, TM Trotter said:

The UK exported £289bn tariff-free to the EU in 2018 (46% of our global exports, or 7x the divorce bill, or £5.5bn a week). 

We don't exactly have the best bargaining position, even if Boris somehow wriggles out of paying that often-quoted £39bn - a payment which pales into insignificance compared to the value of free European trade.

Never mind, think positive - we've got continuity arrangements for trading with the likes of Malawi, Belize and Kiribati!

You are arguing from a position of no deal and even if there was no deal then you really think we will lose all trade between the EU and U.K.  you’d think the penny would have dropped by now brexiteers don’t believe Project fear but still it just boringly rolls on and on. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You are arguing from a position of no deal and even if there was no deal then you really think we will lose all trade between the EU and U.K.  you’d think the penny would have dropped by now brexiteers don’t believe Project fear but still it just boringly rolls on and on. 

Yep so to avoid no deal we need an alternative backstop. Can you explain what that is yet ?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You are arguing from a position of no deal and even if there was no deal then you really think we will lose all trade between the EU and U.K.  you’d think the penny would have dropped by now brexiteers don’t believe Project fear but still it just boringly rolls on and on. 

A temporary withdrawal agreement preserves the status quo for a year or two. But then we've got to negotiate a free trade deal. So regardless we aren't going to get the easy no downside tariff-free across the board deal. 

The problem is that there are no demonstrable economic benefits to leaving. Lots of chest puffing "we can make our own laws" nonsense. But economically even the leave economist Minford predicts an awful lot of downsides. He's fine with wiping out British agriculture and manufacturing for example.

 

[Casino]

9 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yep so to avoid no deal we need an alternative backstop. Can you explain what that is yet ?

technology, you gormless fcuker

[Farrelli]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

technology, you gormless fcuker

Of course, silly me. 

[Mounts Kipper]

32 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yep so to avoid no deal we need an alternative backstop. Can you explain what that is yet ?

Its up to the EU to decide what they’ll accept, we’ve put forward ideas and they need to decide what they’ll accept. I hear that the DUP will now accept a time limited backstop so maybe that’s a way forward. As I’ve stated previously losing 39billion or at least part of it will concentrate the EUs mind that’s if parliament don’t again scupper us leaving without a deal. 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Its up to the EU to decide what they’ll accept, we’ve put forward ideas and they need to decide what they’ll accept. I hear that the DUP will now accept a time limited backstop so maybe that’s a way forward. As I’ve stated previously losing 39billion or at least part of it will concentrate the EUs mind that’s if parliament don’t again scupper us leaving without a deal. 

Why is it up to the EU to accept? Its up to us to find a solution that preserves international trading law, observes the GFA. 

These are our issues.

The EU's only concern is protection of its single market but if we find a solution compliant with international trading rules then that is job done on that score. 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

Why is it up to the EU to accept? Its up to us to find a solution that preserves international trading law, observes the GFA. 

These are our issues.

The EU's only concern is protection of its single market but if we find a solution compliant with international trading rules then that is job done on that score. 

Because they are not negotiating in good faith on this matter just using it as leverage to keep us in the EU. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[fatolive]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Because they are not negotiating in good faith on this matter just using it as leverage to keep us in the EU. 

The Backstop was a British government solution proposed to and accepted by the EU but then rejected by Britain

the original customs union  for NI put forward was accepted by them but then rejected after DUP rejected it 

it’s up to Britain to come up with an alternative 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, fatolive said:

The Backstop was a British government solution proposed to and accepted by the EU but then rejected by Britain

the original customs union  for NI put forward was accepted by them but then rejected after DUP rejected it 

it’s up to Britain to come up with an alternative 

 

Schooled. Unfortunately the propaganda fed to these Brexiteers on a daily basis means they forget these facts. Or are completely blind to them. 

[Youri McAnespie]

They've been sucked into a cult.

It's like trying to dissuade Tom Cruise believing in Ron Jeremy or The Moomins that Bank Ki Moon isn't a living God. Pointless.

[bolty58]

18 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

I personally wouldn’t bank on it with Corbyn.

He’s on his last knockings now.

Likely to get done in by friendly fire. The Parliamentary lot faced with losing their jobs because of his extremes will be plotting for certain.

[bolty58]

18 hours ago, Casino said:

We can't close the border

That's the point

Or should I just write, in your opinion

Seems it's the stock response of the brexiteer with no answer to the point being made

Or is it Remainers clinging on to one last straw of hope?

A matter of opinion.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

Likely to get done in by friendly fire. The Parliamentary lot faced with losing their jobs because of his extremes will be plotting for certain.

The parliamentary party have no mechanism, no power or ability to get rid of Corbyn. The only way is for the Labour membership to vote for someone else. 

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Humbug. 

...and that's being polite.