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[Guest]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

No, the real intentions

Those are the real intentions. And the fact there isn't as yet another solution inspite of 3 years of claiming there is...

The "alternative arrangements" working group haven't come up with anything that ticks those boxes. 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, boltondiver said:

No, the real intentions; see Arlene Foster

What has she said?

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

No, the real intentions; see Arlene Foster

Sorry its calculated political propaganda. Utter tripe. The fact is, if all these people think there's a solution - put it on the table and show your bloody working. Sick to death of people claiming the EU are at fault for a situation of our own making.

Boris' own deal puts a bloody border down the Irish sea, something that little over a year ago the DUP were foaming at the mouth about and calling the EU all names under the sun for proposing and threatening to pull support for May's government if she dared do it. They are complete and utter fanatical hypocrites. 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

Sorry its calculated political propaganda. Utter tripe. The fact is, if all these people think there's a solution - put it on the table and show your bloody working. Sick to death of people claiming the EU are at fault for a situation of our own making.

Boris' own deal puts a bloody border down the Irish sea, something that little over a year ago the DUP were foaming at the mouth about and calling the EU all names under the sun for proposing and threatening to pull support for May's government if she dared do it. They are complete and utter fanatical hypocrites. 

We voted to leave unilaterally and not to have to beg and plead with the E to be able to leave nicely, we have tried our level best to reach an agreement, it is time for the UK to tell the EU that enough is enough, as a sovereign state we cannot be held to ransom any longer.   

Edited October 8, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Sorry its calculated political propaganda. Utter tripe. The fact is, if all these people think there's a solution - put it on the table and show your bloody working. Sick to death of people claiming the EU are at fault for a situation of our own making.

Boris' own deal puts a bloody border down the Irish sea, something that little over a year ago the DUP were foaming at the mouth about and calling the EU all names under the sun for proposing and threatening to pull support for May's government if she dared do it. They are complete and utter fanatical hypocrites. 

Of course the EU aren’t at fault, they can only be what they are.

We shouldn’t have joined in the first place, now it’s time to go.

[Farrelli]

31 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The truth seems to be coming out about the real intentions of the backstop

Yep, keeping peace in Ireland whilst maintaining the integrity of the EU single market.

Boris said he had a viable alternative but that proved to be bollocks.

The truth hurts though.

[Ani]

21 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We voted to leave unilaterally and not to have to beg and plead with the E to be able to leave nicely, we have tried our level best to reach an agreement, it is time for the UK to tell the EU that enough is enough, as a sovereign state we cannot be held to ransom any longer.   

So if we leave with no deal what happens at the Irish border ? 

No deal = No agreement. 

You are blaming the EU for us not having an answer to a problem we created. 

Please explain your or any no deal solution. Can goods and/or people move freely across the border ? 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Ani

[tyldesley_white]

18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We voted to leave unilaterally and not to have to beg and plead with the E to be able to leave nicely, we have tried our level best to reach an agreement, it is time for the UK to tell the EU that enough is enough, as a sovereign state we cannot be held to ransom any longer.   

We reached an agreement with the EU , but Mays OWN government turned it down

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We voted to leave unilaterally and not to have to beg and plead with the E to be able to leave nicely, we have tried our level best to reach an agreement, it is time for the UK to tell the EU that enough is enough, as a sovereign state we cannot be held to ransom any longer.   

:lol:. We've tried our level best? Well May did in fairness but parliament said no. 

Boris? Has done everything he can to drive us to no deal - that isn't even up for debate. 

The EU offered something - May said no - they compromised - May said yes.

The EU have compromised and agreed a deal with our last government. We've made zero compromise back - and instead put a completely ridiculous proposal that satisfies neither the GFA, international trading rules, integrity of markets or offers legally binding protections. It ticks no box.

Just because Brexiteers have lied and lied and lied and pretended none of this mattered cannot distort the facts. The facts are clear to anyone who isn't listening to political propaganda and bare faced lies. 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Ani said:

So if we leave with no deal what happens at the Irish border ? 

No deal = No agreement. 

You are blaming the EU for us not having an answer to a problem we created. 

Please explain your or any no deal solution. 

Whether you agree with the new offer or not that is our starting point for a solution, it seems the EU just say no, do not intend to negotiate and somehow that is our fault. EU intransigence started the whole situation, it is 100% on them if there is no deal.  

Edited October 8, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Ani]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Whether you agree with the new offer or not that is our starting point for a solution, it seems the EU just say no, do not intend to negotiate and somehow that is our fault.   

Please answer the question. 

[tyldesley_white]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Whether you agree with the new offer or not that is our starting point for a solution, it seems the EU just say no, do not intend to negotiate and somehow that is our fault.   

May had an agreement with the EU , it was turned down by our own parliament  , and now that's the EU fault.

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Ani said:

Please answer the question. 

People will always cross freely, that will never change, goods will have to be checked as per UK government new offer, unless the EU/Ireland want to put up hard borders, the UK will not put up a hard border.  

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, tyldesley_white said:

May had an agreement with the EU , it was turned down by our own parliament  , and now that's the EU fault.

Do keep up, we have moved on and made a new offer which they have turned down by all accounts.    

[Sweep]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Whether you agree with the new offer or not that is our starting point for a solution, it seems the EU just say no, do not intend to negotiate 

you said only a few weeks ago that it was "common knowledge" that the EU were willing to re-negotiate ............although having said that, some thought that the German Car makers would make sure that we got a decent deal, as it was in their interests.

[tyldesley_white]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Do keep up, we have moved on and made a new offer which they have turned down by all accounts.    

we moved on have we, we not moved in the last 3 years. and I suspect come the end of the month we will still not have moved on.

 

Any way roll on the pound - dollar at 1 to 1 please

Edited October 8, 2019 by tyldesley_white

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

People will always cross freely, that will never change, goods will have to be checked as per UK government new offer, unless the EU/Ireland want to put up hard borders, the UK will not put up a hard border.  

So people from EU can freely enter UK ? But only at Irish border. 

Goods will need to be checked. 

Suppose that works in the sense it will not be acceptable to either loyalists or unionists so is non sectarian. 

Will the Irish assembly be meeting as well as part of the deal ? 

Btw in Lanzarote. Just took 100 euros out of ATM. There is a 4 euro fee as could not be arsed walking into town. Cost just over £100. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Ani

[Cheese]

24 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Whether you agree with the new offer or not that is our starting point for a solution, it seems the EU just say no, do not intend to negotiate and somehow that is our fault. EU intransigence started the whole situation, it is 100% on them if there is no deal.  

Baaaaaaaa

[Spider]

Mounts

what happens at the Irish border if there is no deal?

I know I sound like a stuck record, but will every van be checked?

Edited October 8, 2019 by Spider

[Salford Trotter]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We voted to leave unilaterally and not to have to beg and plead with the E to be able to leave nicely, we have tried our level best to reach an agreement, it is time for the UK to tell the EU that enough is enough, as a sovereign state we cannot be held to ransom any longer.   

I thought you said we would get a deal???

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

I thought you said we would get a deal???

Do you think there won't be one?

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We voted to leave unilaterally and not to have to beg and plead with the E to be able to leave nicely, we have tried our level best to reach an agreement, it is time for the UK to tell the EU that enough is enough, as a sovereign state we cannot be held to ransom any longer.   

Nonsense

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Do you think there won't be one?

I want a sensible deal of course, whether there will be one before 31st Jan 2019 I hope so. Hopefully the Gvt of National Unity will bring this to a conclusion

[Tonge moor green jacket]

17 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

I want a sensible deal of course, whether there will be one before 31st Jan 2019 I hope so. Hopefully the Gvt of National Unity will bring this to a conclusion

Haha. How would they get a deal through parliament? That's also assuming they manage to agree one.

I still think one will be agreed by this current lot. Probably go beyond the end of October, but will have an agreement in principle which will allow Boris to get an extension whilst it is all finalised.

This bollocks going off now is hardly unexpected. Several belligerent groups all squabbling for their piece of the pie.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Haha. How would they get a deal through parliament? That's also assuming they manage to agree one.

I still think one will be agreed by this current lot. Probably go beyond the end of October, but will have an agreement in principle which will allow Boris to get an extension whilst it is all finalised.

This bollocks going off now is hardly unexpected. Several belligerent groups all squabbling for their piece of the pie.

Technically if the opposition to do deal could somehow agree on who was to lead a temporary government and its scope they could negotiate a deal and they'd have a majority in parliament to get it through. Technically. 
 

But they can't agree on what day of the week it is.

As for Boris getting a deal - the plan seems to be widely believed to be pushing for a GE where he will campaign on basis of leaving with no deal. Seems to be what they are gearing up for. Tories putting out message that extending the deadline would be ok to fight a GE on that basis. Its a blame game - blame anyone else other than themselves for the mess and convince rabid angry Brexiteers its not their fault. Its shoddy that we've become America like now in how awful politics full of lies and deceit is allowed to prevail in the name of populism.