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[Guest]

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Gammonways

😁

Boomerways....

[MickyD]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There was always going to be division especially when some can’t accept a democratic decision, that the public voted to give the Tories a massive majority to get it done tells me the majority of British folk whether they voted leave or remain now want it sorted, those who continue to bleat, fuck them, irrelevant tossers. 

But until we adopt the Australian model where every citizen gets a vote and every citizen has to use it we'll never really satisfy the losing voters in a two horse race who will jump on the fact that the folk who didn't bother voting could have pushed the vote the opposite way. They actually forget (or ignore) the fact that they could just as easily have widened the gap. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Boomerways....

And here right on queue is Wallace I assume Gromit is sleeping off the drink again 

[paulhanley]

12 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Gammonways

😁

Except of course there are folk of all colours and creeds who are outraged by the blatant democracy denying since 2016. 

[Escobarp]

Just now, paulhanley said:

Except of course there are folk of all colours and creeds who are outraged by the blatant democracy denying since 2016. 

Wasting your breath Paul. It’s people like this who remain the problem and will still not accept we are moving forward

[paulhanley]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Wasting your breath Paul. It’s people like this who remain the problem and will still not accept we are moving forward

I know I am. But unless you challenge it they remain in their echo chamber. To be fair Kent is hardly the worst of the bunch on here.

[Escobarp]

Just now, paulhanley said:

I know I am. But unless you challenge it they remain in their echo chamber. To be fair Kent is hardly the worst of the bunch on here.

Nope I’ve zero issue with what Kent says really as I’ve said before. He has a view which everyone is entitled to but he doesn’t try and preach it, doesn’t class people who disagree as stupid and ultimately just will get the head down and do the best for his kid. Like most folk would. he’s certainly not a screecher 

plus I don’t think he’s ever predicted the apocalypse as some have.  
 

And the most important thing for me is he hasn’t predicted the world will collapse around him yet choose to continue to live here with his family. That I still cannot fathom. It’s counterintuitive to Continue to let your family live somewhere  where you strongly believe is going to be horrific. 
 

if it was me and I had that view first thing I would do is move lock stock and barrel. Not sit around putting my family into that situation. Bizarre really 
 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

26 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

And here right on queue is Wallace I assume Gromit is sleeping off the drink again 

Something that rhymes with gromit.

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Something that rhymes with gromit.

Very much so 

he will very embarrassed having had a pop at Jol for no reason and then trying to hide it with retrospective editing. That’s what too much drink does to you it pickles your brain and when it’s not a fully formed brain in the first place it’s a recipe for disaster 

good job we’ve got the wonderful staff of the NHS to care for him 

Edited January 2, 2020 by Escobarp

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Very much so 

he will very embarrassed having had a pop at Jol for no reason and then trying to hide it with retrospective editing. That’s what too much drink does to you it pickles your brain and when it’s not a fully formed brain in the first place it’s a recipe for disaster 

good job we’ve got the wonderful staff of the NHS to care for him 

And a fully funded NHS now Boris is the captain of the ship. 

Edited January 2, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Escobarp]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

And a fully funded NHS.

And long may it continue pal which it will 

[paulhanley]

26 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Nope I’ve zero issue with what Kent says really as I’ve said before. He has a view which everyone is entitled to but he doesn’t try and preach it, doesn’t class people who disagree as stupid and ultimately just will get the head down and do the best for his kid. Like most folk would. he’s certainly not a screecher 

plus I don’t think he’s ever predicted the apocalypse as some have.  
 

And the most important thing for me is he hasn’t predicted the world will collapse around him yet choose to continue to live here with his family. That I still cannot fathom. It’s counterintuitive to Continue to let your family live somewhere  where you strongly believe is going to be horrific. 
 

if it was me and I had that view first thing I would do is move lock stock and barrel. Not sit around putting my family into that situation. Bizarre really 
 

 

Yeah - well there'll be a few who knew very well that their doomsday predictions would never come to pass yet they carried on with them. The very same people who thought they could usurp the outcome of a referendum. Ordinarily in a situation like this you'd just let it pass - but these remoaners took it way too far since 2016 and deserve upbraiding. I hasten to add - remoaners, not remainers. And remoaners are in the minority. Gina Miller, Steve Bray, a few in that disgraceful 2017-19 parliament and a small number on here.

They'll all be scrambling around for their associate EU citizenship and searching high and low for negatives to pin on Brexit. But as you say they'll carry on living here as the rest of us enjoy our fully independent nation plotting its own course once again. They've been wrong about everything since the 90s as regards the EU and they will continue to be wrong. But it won't stop them squawking. They can do so in  a democracy - but they'll be challenged. And the democracy denying track record will be used.

[Jol_BWFC]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

And by the way - if you think its just me then you really must be in an echo chamber.

 

50 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

I know I am. But unless you challenge it they remain in their echo chamber. To be fair Kent is hardly the worst of the bunch on here.

Is there an echo in here? 
 

You talk only about “remoaners” but remain blinkered to the shithousery from all sides. A leaver shutting down Parliament and misleading the Queen in order to frustrate the operation of the Houses was pretty terrible behaviour, let’s be honest. Frankly, it was unconstitutional.
 

There are some very rational staunch leavers on this site (BD, TMGJ for example) with whom I may not agree but I can have a sensible discussion. You do not fall into that group. Your arrogance and ignorance and the pretentious nature of posts sets you out as a bit of a bell, to be honest.

Edit: I should also say, there are people on here who voted leave with whom I do agree.

Edited January 2, 2020 by Jol_BWFC

[paulhanley]

2 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

 

Is there an echo in here? 
 

You talk only about “remoaners” but remain blinkered to the shithousery from all sides. A leaver shutting down Parliament and misleading the Queen in order to frustrate the operation of the Houses was pretty terrible behaviour, let’s be honest. Frankly, it was unconstitutional.
 

There are some very rational staunch leavers on this site (BD, TMGJ for example) with whom I may not agree but I can have a sensible discussion. You do not fall into that group. Your arrogance and ignorance and the pretentious nature of posts sets you out as a bit of a bell, to be honest.

A leaver shutting down a parliament that had spent three and a half years denying democracy in the most brazen way with a decision taken on the legality by a liberal leaning bunch of legal remainers. You can casually disregard the context and the extent of the appalling behaviour in the lead up to all of that coming to pass if you wish but the rest of us will not. The course of events is there in black and white and history will reflect darkly.

I have several times distinguished remoaners from remainers - but needless to say you've chosen not to engage with that bit because it doesn't suit your dismal narrative.

I'll disregard the personal insults. Just a sure sign of the point hitting home and hurting a bit. Diddums. 

[Jol_BWFC]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

A leaver shutting down a parliament that had spent three and a half years denying democracy in the most brazen way with a decision taken on the legality by a liberal leaning bunch of legal remainers. You can casually disregard the context and the extent of the appalling behaviour in the lead up to all of that coming to pass if you wish but the rest of us will not. The course of events is there in black and white and history will reflect darkly.

I have several times distinguished remoaners from remainers - but needless to say you've chosen not to engage with that bit because it doesn't suit your dismal narrative.

I'll disregard the personal insults. Just a sure sign of the point hitting home and hurting a bit. Diddums. 

You have quite successfully reinforced my point, thank you.

[royal white]

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Nope I’ve zero issue with what Kent says really as I’ve said before. He has a view which everyone is entitled to but he doesn’t try and preach it, doesn’t class people who disagree as stupid and ultimately just will get the head down and do the best for his kid. Like most folk would. he’s certainly not a screecher 

plus I don’t think he’s ever predicted the apocalypse as some have.  
 

And the most important thing for me is he hasn’t predicted the world will collapse around him yet choose to continue to live here with his family. That I still cannot fathom. It’s counterintuitive to Continue to let your family live somewhere  where you strongly believe is going to be horrific. 
 

if it was me and I had that view first thing I would do is move lock stock and barrel. Not sit around putting my family into that situation. Bizarre really 
 

 

This 

[paulhanley]

17 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

You have quite successfully reinforced my point, thank you.

Yawn. You've been successfully reinforcing mine for months. 

[fatolive]

3 hours ago, paulhanley said:

Except of course there are folk of all colours and creeds who are outraged by the blatant democracy denying since 2016. 

Genuine question , as it confuses me, do you class Boris as a democracy denier for voting against the first deals? He did as much as anyone to stop Brexit in that regard? Or is he the hero going to deliver it now? 

As mentioned above, this has been a shit show from all sides and to just blame “ remoaners” just shows an opposite side of the moaning coin 

I agree that the recent elections have given a mandate just to get it done, but what went before was far from just the fault of “ remoaners” 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, fatolive said:

Genuine question , as it confuses me, do you class Boris as a democracy denier for voting against the first deals? He did as much as anyone to stop Brexit in that regard? Or is he the hero going to deliver it now? 

As mentioned above, this has been a shit show from all sides and to just blame “ remoaners” just shows an opposite side of the moaning coin 

I agree that the recent elections have given a mandate just to get it done, but what went before was far from just the fault of “ remoaners” 

Whilst perhaps unhelpful, the erg etc were still angling for a form of Brexit. Not denying it. Bit of a difference.

If all remainers had backed up their initial stance, the efforts of the erg would have been irrelevant.

In the end, we have perhaps got a more ardent leave position out of it.

[fatolive]

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Whilst perhaps unhelpful, the erg etc were still angling for a form of Brexit. Not denying it. Bit of a difference.

If all remainers had backed up their initial stance, the efforts of the erg would have been irrelevant.

In the end, we have perhaps got a more ardent leave position out of it.

Yes get that, and agree those trying to deny it completely/ overturn the result could be considered traitors etc by some , however, there was a deal on the table that some leavers votes against as well as remainers , a deal not too far off what we’ve got now but it was voted against by both sides but it’s only the remainers getting blamed for obstructing Brexit , by some when in reality it was a disagreement on the type of Brexit really.  

 

[paulhanley]

1 hour ago, fatolive said:

Genuine question , as it confuses me, do you class Boris as a democracy denier for voting against the first deals? He did as much as anyone to stop Brexit in that regard? Or is he the hero going to deliver it now? 

As mentioned above, this has been a shit show from all sides and to just blame “ remoaners” just shows an opposite side of the moaning coin 

I agree that the recent elections have given a mandate just to get it done, but what went before was far from just the fault of “ remoaners” 

Given that Boris has consistently said the outcome of the referendum needs to be respected and delivered upon, what kind of warped logic tries to put him in the bracket of the likes of Soubry, Grieve and Umunna? He and others voted against the first deals because they didn't like the backstop. He negotiated a better deal - and he did so despite being undermined left right and centre by remoaners. There's no doubt it was just the fault of the remoaners. You're just yet another example of someone trying to kick over the traces of the deceit. It ain't working with me and it didn't work with the electorate on December 12. The remoaning democracy deniers dug a huge pit for themselves and they are now wallowing in it.

[fatolive]

11 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Given that Boris has consistently said the outcome of the referendum needs to be respected and delivered upon, what kind of warped logic tries to put him in the bracket of the likes of Soubry, Grieve and Umunna? He and others voted against the first deals because they didn't like the backstop. He negotiated a better deal - and he did so despite being undermined left right and centre by remoaners. There's no doubt it was just the fault of the remoaners. You're just yet another example of someone trying to kick over the traces of the deceit. It ain't working with me and it didn't work with the electorate on December 12. The remoaning democracy deniers dug a huge pit for themselves and they are now wallowing in it.

chill out

im not doing anything other than asking a question on your stance and asking for your opinion on your stance as i have an opinion that the type of Brexit and the system was the issue as both sides voted against Brexit one way or the other

not bracketing anyone or kicking over anything if answering a question is too much without resorting to that sort of response give it up as abad job mate , it’s eating you up

and to use your own words, you know nothing about me or what I think so don’t say I’m an example of anything 

Edited January 2, 2020 by fatolive
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[paulhanley]

13 minutes ago, fatolive said:

chill out

im not doing anything other than asking a question on your stance and asking for your opinion on your stance as i have an opinion that the type of Brexit and the system was the issue as both sides voted against Brexit one way or the other

not bracketing anyone or kicking over anything if answering a question is too much without resorting to that sort of response give it up as abad job mate , it’s eating you up

and to use your own words, you know nothing about me or what I think so don’t say I’m an example of anything 

Perhaps folk need to understand just how annoyed three and a half years of democracy denying really made people. If the result of the General Election didn't do the trick. You cannot try to obstruct democracy. Who the hell did these people think they were?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Perhaps folk need to understand just how annoyed three and a half years of democracy denying really made people. If the result of the General Election didn't do the trick. You cannot try to obstruct democracy. Who the hell did these people think they were?

Once again - more people in the GE voted for 2nd referendum or remain parties than they did for ones promising Brexit. Democracy hasn't ended. It goes on. 

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Once again - more people in the GE voted for 2nd referendum or remain parties than they did for ones promising Brexit. Democracy hasn't ended. It goes on. 

What has that got to do with anything? No one can prove that folk voted for a particular party just because of that parties stance on Brexit, so your post is utterly ridiculous and a lie. On this particular subject democracy has ended, people voted to leave and have given Boris the mandate to get it done. 

Edited January 2, 2020 by Mounts Kipper