paulhanley Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Once again - more people in the GE voted for 2nd referendum or remain parties than they did for ones promising Brexit. Democracy hasn't ended. It goes on. Let go. Workington, Leigh and others voted Conservative for the first time in decades partly because they are sick to the back teeth of people like you trying to manufacture scenarios in which there is a mandate to keep prattling on about the prospect of remain. Your day is done. A size 10 boot has been put through the attempts to scuttle the mandate of June 23, 2016 when the question was directly put. On February 1 we will be out of the EU. Democracy does go on. It will be in full sail because we will be free of the undemocratic EU and the result of the referendum will be respected. Let's hope the people in the other EU countries get a chance to reject the EU soon. That way democracy can be in full bloom throughout Europe. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, fatolive said: Yes get that, and agree those trying to deny it completely/ overturn the result could be considered traitors etc by some , however, there was a deal on the table that some leavers votes against as well as remainers , a deal not too far off what we’ve got now but it was voted against by both sides but it’s only the remainers getting blamed for obstructing Brexit , by some when in reality it was a disagreement on the type of Brexit really. The main stumbling block was always the backstop. Largely, it was ok for many apart from that. Once that went, it's no great surprise that it became more popular. TM alienated quite a few too in the way she went about the initial process. Best of intentions no doubt. You've still suggested though that brexit was voted against by leavers; it wasn't, they just wanted a different version. In fairness, some remainers would also have voted for a different version, and I don't have an issue with that. So long as a concencus is reached eventually. That's where the issue comes, as a number of remainers openly admitted they wouldn't back anything and caused endless problems. That's bit them back now. Badly. Quote
fatolive Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The main stumbling block was always the backstop. Largely, it was ok for many apart from that. Once that went, it's no great surprise that it became more popular. TM alienated quite a few too in the way she went about the initial process. Best of intentions no doubt. You've still suggested though that brexit was voted against by leavers; it wasn't, they just wanted a different version. In fairness, some remainers would also have voted for a different version, and I don't have an issue with that. So long as a concencus is reached eventually. That's where the issue comes, as a number of remainers openly admitted they wouldn't back anything and caused endless problems. That's bit them back now. Badly. That’s exactly my point, some leavers voted against one version , others against another so they voted against “ a Brexit” because it wasn’t the one they wanted, which is their right , but the issues weren’t solely down to those remainers voting against it , everyone had their own view on what it should be and together with ardent remainers who wouldn’t back anything, that caused the delay and not just solely those ardent remainers. the backstop was a solution to concerns raised about a sea border check and special status for Northern Ireland , which we seem to be saying is a solution now ( granted not exactly the same as initially stated ) Quote
Spider Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 Paul Hanley is PROPER angry isn’t he? Like, not had pokey wets for months angry. Its most amusing. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Spider said: Paul Hanley is PROPER angry isn’t he? Like, not had pokey wets for months angry. Its most amusing. Doesn’t come across a angry to me, he’s just bang on the money for me. Edited January 2, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, Spider said: Paul Hanley is PROPER angry isn’t he? Like, not had pokey wets for months angry. Its most amusing. Your posts over the last few weeks have suggested more than a touch of disgruntlement on your part too. As many of us have. Maybe it's time we all had a reset now, and looked to make the best of whatever opportunities appear. Quote
Moon boy Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 48 minutes ago, Spider said: Paul Hanley is PROPER angry isn’t he? Like, not had pokey wets for months angry. Its most amusing. How old are you? Says more about you than PH Happy New Year Quote
Guest Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Once again - more people in the GE voted for 2nd referendum or remain parties than they did for ones promising Brexit. Democracy hasn't ended. It goes on. That is rewriting history somewhat! Quote
Spider Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) I’m over the arguing. I’m back to enjoying the mini-explosions and idiosyncrasies that make this forum still worth the effort. Truth is that we now have only time as a guide to how successful Brexit will be. So for the next 3 years at least we will have no idea. I still think Paul Hangry should answer the question about which EU policies inparticular he’ll be glad to see the back of, but he won’t. It’s ok, lads. It’s ok. Edited January 2, 2020 by Spider Quote
Cheese Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Escobarp said: And here right on queue is Wallace I assume Gromit is sleeping off the drink again Deary me. So anyone whose opinion differs to your own is under the influence of alcohol? If that's the case, I dread to think what drugs you're taking. I notice you haven't named the EU law you're most looking forward to being repealed yet? Edited January 2, 2020 by Cheese Quote
Escobarp Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Cheese said: Deary me. So anyone whose opinion differs to your own is under the influence of alcohol? If that's the case, I dread to think what drugs you're taking. I notice you haven't named the EU law you're most looking forward to being repealed yet? Your confusing me with someone who made that statement princess. no drugs either for me. Sorry to disappoint you 😘 you’re the one going around making shit up about other posters not my good self. So I would look a bit closer to home. But the truth hurts I’m guessing. Bless x Quote
Cheese Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: Your confusing me with someone who made that statement princess. no drugs either for me. Sorry to disappoint you 😘 you’re the one going around making shit up about other posters not my good self. So I would look a bit closer to home. But the truth hurts I’m guessing. Bless x I quoted your post, honeybun. Quote
MancWanderer Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Maybe it's time we all had a reset now, and looked to make the best of whatever opportunities appear. In one. We really need to look forward and try to make it work. It may do, it may not. If folk continue to try to obstruct it may well fail. If folk work towards the best outcome then it may well be good for us. There will be short term pain. Undoubtedly. It may be worth it, it may not. I’ll give this government their term in office to judge Brexit and their ability to deliver it. I can’t see it worth judging on a lesser timescale. Joining the EEC caused many an argument but it was years before the benefits and downsides became apparent Quote
Escobarp Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Cheese said: I quoted your post, honeybun. I didn’t make a comment about eu laws. That was someone else and if you’re referring to my drink point? That was aimed at yourself and solely yourself. I disagree with a few folk around politics on here fanny5 never said it about him. Mickbrown. Also never said it about him. I think your an absolute cock simple as that and given your inane repetitive posts I assume you must be pissed. now if you will excuse me I’ve got some work to do Quote
tyldesley_white Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Spider said: I’m over the arguing. I’m back to enjoying the mini-explosions and idiosyncrasies that make this forum still worth the effort. Truth is that we now have only time as a guide to how successful Brexit will be. So for the next 3 years at least we will have no idea. I still think Paul Hangry should answer the question about which EU policies inparticular he’ll be glad to see the back of, but he won’t. It’s ok, lads. It’s ok. it is what it is Quote
MalcolmW Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: In one. We really need to look forward and try to make it work. It may do, it may not. If folk continue to try to obstruct it may well fail. If folk work towards the best outcome then it may well be good for us. There will be short term pain. Undoubtedly. It may be worth it, it may not. I’ll give this government their term in office to judge Brexit and their ability to deliver it. I can’t see it worth judging on a lesser timescale. Joining the EEC caused many an argument but it was years before the benefits and downsides became apparent One downside was apparent even before we joined - there was always the intention from the Belgians and Luxembourgers for long-term ever closer union. Quote
paulhanley Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Spider said: I’m over the arguing. I’m back to enjoying the mini-explosions and idiosyncrasies that make this forum still worth the effort. Truth is that we now have only time as a guide to how successful Brexit will be. So for the next 3 years at least we will have no idea. I still think Paul Hangry should answer the question about which EU policies inparticular he’ll be glad to see the back of, but he won’t. It’s ok, lads. It’s ok. I answered last night. I'll be glad to see the back of us having to abide by the EU fisheries and agriculture policy, I'm looking forward to us being completely in control of our own trade policy and not being shackled to the trading bloc that has overseen the slowest growing part of the world this last 30 years, I'm looking forward to us gradually freeing ourselves of the overweening regulation that has led to that slow growth. I'm looking forward to us being able to implement freeports to revitalise our coastal areas - something the EU frowns upon. There's so much to be cheerful about, so much more latitude. ............................. but even when this has all begun to work in our favour I've no doubt you and your cohorts will set your faces against it. Nice to see your mention of three years. The remain side seem to have conveniently swept under the carpet all of the nightmares that were supposed to have occurred by now - as a result of a leave vote alone. Remainers - wrong about everything since the 90s. Wrong yet again. Edited January 2, 2020 by paulhanley Quote
paulhanley Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Doesn’t come across a angry to me, he’s just bang on the money for me. You've had to put up with much more stick from the remoaning know-alls on here than I've had - and over a much longer period. You said we'd get a deal, we did. They've been wrong about most things if not everything since John Major's day - yet still they prattle on like they've cornered the market on wisdom. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 2, 2020 Author Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, boltondiver said: That is rewriting history somewhat! Just like Labour won the "argument" 😂😂😂😂😂 I think Corbyn set about to deliberately dismantle the proud working class Labour party, reverse psychology and all that. As for more people voting for remain parties etc......what fandango5 said is pure comedy. 2 stats stood out from the GE 1- Labour were banished to the street demos for another decade, whilst the silent MAJORITY go about their every day working lives 2 - Every single one of the remain shambles of an alliance lost their seats......that was the country talking via the ballot box. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Doesn’t come across a angry to me, he’s just bang on the money for me. I reckon he runs an amateur dramatic society. Let democracy bloom!!! Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 59 minutes ago, paulhanley said: You've had to put up with much more stick from the remoaning know-alls on here than I've had - and over a much longer period. You said we'd get a deal, we did. They've been wrong about most things if not everything since John Major's day - yet still they prattle on like they've cornered the market on wisdom. It’s water off a ducks back. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 2, 2020 Author Posted January 2, 2020 Finding it quite amusing who is leading the polls to be the next Labour leader......do they not learn from past mistakes ? Kier Starmer ? More chance of a Wigan mob invading Barnstormers Quote
Escobarp Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Finding it quite amusing who is leading the polls to be the next Labour leader......do they not learn from past mistakes ? Kier Starmer ? More chance of a Wigan mob invading Barnstormers I think he’s very credible as an individual. He also speaks very well. The problem is momentum and it’s hard left approach to politics. As long as momentum control and continue to poison the party then they’re pissing in the wind. Labour in the centre left with starmer in charge would I believe be a real force and he would win back a number of lost votes. Quote
Winchester White Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, paulhanley said: You've had to put up with much more stick from the remoaning know-alls on here than I've had - and over a much longer period. You said we'd get a deal, we did. They've been wrong about most things if not everything since John Major's day - yet still they prattle on like they've cornered the market on wisdom. To be fair, the deal Boris has struck is very similar to TM's deal but with the backstop moving across the Irish sea. Anyway, we are finally moving on from A50, now the real fun and games start. Quote
Winchester White Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I think he’s very credible as an individual. He also speaks very well. The problem is momentum and it’s hard left approach to politics. As long as momentum control and continue to poison the party then they’re pissing in the wind. Labour in the centre left with starmer in charge would I believe be a real force and he would win back a number of lost votes. Momentum are fucking loons, the yin to the ERG yang. Quote
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