Politics

[Escobarp]

Just now, Winchester White said:

Momentum are fucking loons, the yin to the ERG yang.

I actually think they are worse marginally but worse nonetheless 

[Spider]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

I answered last night. I'll be glad to see the back of us having to abide by the EU fisheries and agriculture policy, I'm looking forward to us being completely in control of our own trade policy and not being shackled to the trading bloc that has overseen the slowest growing part of the world this last 30 years, I'm looking forward to us gradually freeing ourselves of the overweening regulation that has led to that slow growth. I'm looking forward to us being able to implement freeports to revitalise our coastal areas - something the EU frowns upon. There's so much to be cheerful about, so much more latitude.

............................. but even when this has all begun to work in our favour I've no doubt you and your cohorts will set your faces against it.

Nice to see your mention of three years. The remain side seem to have conveniently swept under the carpet all of the nightmares that were supposed to have occurred by now - as a result of a leave vote alone. Remainers - wrong about everything since the 90s. Wrong yet again.

Fair enough. You’ve mentioned the fisheries and agriculture policy.

Can you provide the details that will ensure your life and that of all British people will benefit from our withdrawal? I’m not a fisherman or farmer so don’t really know.

Ive had a google but it’s generally in favour of the EU so need your reasons.

[miamiwhite]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

Fair enough. You’ve mentioned the fisheries and agriculture policy.

Can you provide the details that will ensure your life and that of all British people will benefit from our withdrawal? I’m not a fisherman or farmer so don’t really know.

Ive had a google but it’s generally in favour of the EU so need your reasons.

Just like the Yellowhammer report eh ?

That report didn't even include quotes that the port of Calais has been ready for No Deal for months already.

Put the Guardian and biased reports down, let's see what happens now the EU are starting to turn 

They fully expected us to remain in the EU thanks to May and Co, but got one rude awakening.

Edited January 2, 2020 by miamiwhite

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

I think he’s very credible as an individual. He also speaks very well. 
 

The problem is momentum and it’s hard left approach to politics. As long as momentum control and continue to poison the party then they’re pissing in the wind. 
 

Labour in the centre left with starmer in charge would I believe be a real force and he would win back a number of lost votes. 

Spot on. For this reason I hope they elect Long Bailey.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Escobarp said:

I think he’s very credible as an individual. He also speaks very well. 
 

The problem is momentum and it’s hard left approach to politics. As long as momentum control and continue to poison the party then they’re pissing in the wind. 
 

Labour in the centre left with starmer in charge would I believe be a real force and he would win back a number of lost votes. 

No, he is significantly responsible for the volte face around Brexit

[paulhanley]

7 hours ago, Spider said:

Fair enough. You’ve mentioned the fisheries and agriculture policy.

Can you provide the details that will ensure your life and that of all British people will benefit from our withdrawal? I’m not a fisherman or farmer so don’t really know.

Ive had a google but it’s generally in favour of the EU so need your reasons.

Why don't you go and speak to the fishing communities all the way up the East coast and in Scotland about how their communities have died since the EU got access to what had for decades been their fishing grounds as part of the UK's territorial waters? The trouble with the likes of you is you go searching for what you want to see. When those communities begin to prosper the tax take from them will go up. The economy as a whole will benefit. You can say the same for freeports. You can say the same for having more beneficial trading arrangements with those vast areas of the world that seem to be doing very nicely thankyou with the so called benefits of being in the EU. 

There's none so blind as your blinkered remoaner.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Why don't you go and speak to the fishing communities all the way up the East coast and in Scotland about how their communities have died since the EU got access to what had for decades been their fishing grounds as part of the UK's territorial waters? The trouble with the likes of you is you go searching for what you want to see. When those communities begin to prosper the tax take from them will go up. The economy as a whole will benefit. You can say the same for freeports. You can say the same for having more beneficial trading arrangements with those vast areas of the world that seem to be doing very nicely thankyou with the so called benefits of being in the EU. 

There's none so blind as your blinkered remoaner.

Spider voted to leave

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Spider voted to leave

And his arse dropped out soon as he deemed Brexit had effected him personally (although we hadn’t left) and has been bleating about it ever since. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

Why don't you go and speak to the fishing communities all the way up the East coast and in Scotland about how their communities have died since the EU got access to what had for decades been their fishing grounds as part of the UK's territorial waters? The trouble with the likes of you is you go searching for what you want to see. When those communities begin to prosper the tax take from them will go up. The economy as a whole will benefit. You can say the same for freeports. You can say the same for having more beneficial trading arrangements with those vast areas of the world that seem to be doing very nicely thankyou with the so called benefits of being in the EU. 

There's none so blind as your blinkered remoaner.

The economy will improve. Lets just bookmark this promise and look again in 2 years time. And compare economic performance with pre referendum. Simple. We'll find out who was right or wrong. I can't wait. 

[Spider]

3 hours ago, paulhanley said:

Why don't you go and speak to the fishing communities all the way up the East coast and in Scotland about how their communities have died since the EU got access to what had for decades been their fishing grounds as part of the UK's territorial waters? The trouble with the likes of you is you go searching for what you want to see. When those communities begin to prosper the tax take from them will go up. The economy as a whole will benefit. You can say the same for freeports. You can say the same for having more beneficial trading arrangements with those vast areas of the world that seem to be doing very nicely thankyou with the so called benefits of being in the EU. 

There's none so blind as your blinkered remoaner.

Ok

i don’t buy much fish in bulk so was unsure how it was affecting the UK as a whole. There’s always plenty on the shelves down the Asda, so never thought it a problem.

as MK points out, I voted leave but have seen enough personally since that I’m questioning the validity of a hard brexit.

It’s cost me dear before it’s even begun, so you’ll forgive me some doubts I hope. 
Have a beer.

[Mounts Kipper]

48 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The economy will improve. Lets just bookmark this promise and look again in 2 years time. And compare economic performance with pre referendum. Simple. We'll find out who was right or wrong. I can't wait. 

Look forward to you disappearing when you realise doomsday ain’t ever happening and actually we are trundling along quite nicely. 

[Salford Trotter]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Look forward to you disappearing when you realise doomsday ain’t ever happening and actually we are trundling along quite nicely. 

Do you still think our economy will be bigger in GDP terms once we have left when compared to remaining in the EU? 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Do you still think our economy will be bigger in GDP terms once we have left when compared to remaining in the EU? 

Think we will be fine, but as you know it can’t be proven either way, you still think we won’t get a deal? 

[Salford Trotter]

26 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Think we will be fine, but as you know it can’t be proven either way, you still think we won’t get a deal? 

Maybe you could answer the question first. Will our economy be bigger in GDP terms when we have left the EU or not? If so, what are you basing your assumption on? 

[Escobarp]

Seems to be a lot of focus from the remain side on gdp as the ultimate measure of success. I’ve kept quiet in respect of this and whilst I accept that it’s a key economic measure, I would be interested to know what people’s thoughts are in respect of it not taking into account things such as wealth distribution,quality of life and welfare ?

Especially those labour voters amongst us who buy into their socialist political ideology. 

[Salford Trotter]

50 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Seems to be a lot of focus from the remain side on gdp as the ultimate measure of success. I’ve kept quiet in respect of this and whilst I accept that it’s a key economic measure, I would be interested to know what people’s thoughts are in respect of it not taking into account things such as wealth distribution,quality of life and welfare ?

Especially those labour voters amongst us who buy into their socialist political ideology. 

GDP is an indisputable indicator of the wealth/success of an economy and is a recognised comparative across the world so it is very relevant to the debate.

I am facilitating a brexit strategy session with a European small cap business in Rotterdam next week so your different perspective would be welcome Stu

Edited January 3, 2020 by Salford Trotter

[Sweep]

41 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

GDP is an indisputable indicator of a wealth/success of an economy and is a recognised comparative across the world so it is very relevant to the debate.

I am facilitating a brexit strategy session with a European small cap business in Rotterdam next week so your different perspective would be welcome Stu

We've got as Brexit Strategy meeting next Thursday and Friday...........I'm sure it's going to be a right hoot

[miamiwhite]

2 hours ago, Salford Trotter said:

GDP is an indisputable indicator of the wealth/success of an economy and is a recognised comparative across the world so it is very relevant to the debate.

I am facilitating a brexit strategy session with a European small cap business in Rotterdam next week so your different perspective would be welcome Stu

Pete, take with you what the head of the WTO said.....just for balance amigo........

Also, take with you a list of the countries who want to have their own version of Brexit.....I think its 4 now........timbeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Salford Trotter said:

GDP is an indisputable indicator of the wealth/success of an economy and is a recognised comparative across the world so it is very relevant to the debate.

I am facilitating a brexit strategy session with a European small cap business in Rotterdam next week so your different perspective would be welcome Stu

GDP might well be a good measure, but it doesn't include spending does it?

Back to the turn over and profit scenario.

No one knows which way they will go at the moment; that would depend upon the strength of trade deals with nations the world over, and a load of other factors.

[darwen_white]

17 hours ago, Escobarp said:

I think he’s very credible as an individual. He also speaks very well. 
 

The problem is momentum and it’s hard left approach to politics. As long as momentum control and continue to poison the party then they’re pissing in the wind. 
 

Labour in the centre left with starmer in charge would I believe be a real force and he would win back a number of lost votes. 

No chance. Gary Megson was more charismatic in front of the camera.

He's (Starmer) spent the last 3 years trying to overturn the referendum result, and saying Leavers didn't know what they were voting for etc blah blah blah - Not very credible IMO.

How a knighted millionaire is going to win back the northern working class vote is going to be difficult - if not impossible.

[miamiwhite]

25 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

GDP might well be a good measure, but it doesn't include spending does it?

Back to the turn over and profit scenario.

No one knows which way they will go at the moment; that would depend upon the strength of trade deals with nations the world over, and a load of other factors.

One thing we know for certain is each member state will have to pay more now the Visionaries are leaving.

With their declining trade and certain countries floundering, the Federal Superstate bollocks doesn't look healthy or appetising now.

Even more so with that new leader under investigation .....it couldn't be scripted.

Oh dear.

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, darwen_white said:

No chance. Gary Megson was more charismatic in front of the camera.

He's (Starmer) spent the last 3 years trying to overturn the referendum result, and saying Leavers didn't know what they were voting for etc blah blah blah - Not very credible IMO.

How a knighted millionaire is going to win back the northern working class vote is going to be difficult - if not impossible.

He's more chance of a getting a wank off Gonzo's window cleaning equipment 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Who knows, it may downsize back to the mere trading bloc it was at one time, and one that might become worthwhile again.

[Salford Trotter]

21 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

GDP might well be a good measure, but it doesn't include spending does it?

Back to the turn over and profit scenario.

No one knows which way they will go at the moment; that would depend upon the strength of trade deals with nations the world over, and a load of other factors.

GDP growth or decline is key measure that most on here have used to determine whether an economy is healthy or not so let's keep the metrics consistent. 

Comprehensive trade deals will take upto a decade to negotiate and so for Johnson to paint the UK into a corner doesn't bode well for a comprehensive trade deal in less than 11 months. In the meantime we will/may suffer the consequences of a No Deal exit that will cost upto 10% of GDP forever. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, darwen_white said:

No chance. Gary Megson was more charismatic in front of the camera.

He's (Starmer) spent the last 3 years trying to overturn the referendum result, and saying Leavers didn't know what they were voting for etc blah blah blah - Not very credible IMO.

How a knighted millionaire is going to win back the northern working class vote is going to be difficult - if not impossible.

Fair points.

Shame, because at times, he's spoken well in parliament. Just backed the wrong horse like so many other shadow cabinet members.