Politics

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Explain why it’s “not as simple as it was.” The products haven’t changed and if they were acceptable before why hot now? If the EU just took a sensible and pragmatic attitude to negotiations it would be every bit as simple as it was. Stop defending this bunch of bureaucrats who want to put as many obstacles as possible into every situation they can. Why can you just not see this, you’re a Brit aren’t you?

You mean if the EU gave us free unfettered access to the Single Market without being in the Customs Union or a member of the EU? When you put your cross next to "Leave", did you not understand what it meant?

Edited February 27, 2023 by Cheese

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Explain why it’s “not as simple as it was.” The products haven’t changed and if they were acceptable before why hot now? If the EU just took a sensible and pragmatic attitude to negotiations it would be every bit as simple as it was. Stop defending this bunch of bureaucrats who want to put as many obstacles as possible into every situation they can. Why can you just not see this, you’re a Brit aren’t you?

😂it’s all their fault. 

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You mean if the EU gave us free unfettered access to the Single Market without being in the Customs Union? When you put your cross next to "Leave", did you not understand what it meant?

I don’t think they were listening when it was mentioned that brexit was not compatible with the GFA. Bozo told them he had an oven ready deal and that is what they believed.

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Explain why it’s “not as simple as it was.” The products haven’t changed and if they were acceptable before why hot now? If the EU just took a sensible and pragmatic attitude to negotiations it would be every bit as simple as it was. Stop defending this bunch of bureaucrats who want to put as many obstacles as possible into every situation they can. Why can you just not see this, you’re a Brit aren’t you?

This thread can descend into bligerant nonsense at times. So all I'd say is I get that the EU has become fixed as something it's not and never have been in your mind. I get that you want to kick out at the universality of globalisation centred around metropolitan hubs which leaves people behind in other parts of the UK, but I'd just ask you as well to have a listen to a broader base, perhaps read a bit further to try and understand why what you've written makes very little sense and moreover isn't grounded in any sort of reality that we're all living in.

I'm not telling you what to think, and I think certain parts of your grievances are valid, but they aren't going to be listened to if this is the sort of response to the situation we're in. Start with what is an Economic Union and then move onto what is a Customs Union. I'm not being flippant here, as your post seems to show you don't really understand what either are or how they work.

[Not in Crawley]

Or give this a listen for 20 minutes; as its a brilliant summary of where we are and the deal we're going to get today;

 

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

This thread can descend into bligerant nonsense at times. So all I'd say is I get that the EU has become fixed as something it's not and never have been in your mind. I get that you want to kick out at the universality of globalisation centred around metropolitan hubs which leaves people behind in other parts of the UK, but I'd just ask you as well to have a listen to a broader base, perhaps read a bit further to try and understand why what you've written makes very little sense and moreover isn't grounded in any sort of reality that we're all living in.

I'm not telling you what to think, and I think certain parts of your grievances are valid, but they aren't going to be listened to if this is the sort of response to the situation we're in. Start with what is an Economic Union and then move onto what is a Customs Union. I'm not being flippant here, as your post seems to show you don't really understand what either are or how they work.

You're wasting your time.

"globalisation centred around metropolitan hubs" will fly over his head at the same height as a Chinese balloon. And you know that.

[Farrelli]

If a deal is agreed today it will be good news but I’ve a suspicion that the ERG and DUP are going to disrupt things. The Northern Ireland parliament needs to start functioning again.

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

You're wasting your time.

"globalisation centred around metropolitan hubs" will fly over his head at the same height as a Chinese balloon. And you know that.

I get accused all the time of being condecending, so I was hoping this wouldn't be.

Ah well. Bollocks to it.

Ok - 'I understand people have every right to be angry about the pretentious pricks in London, Paris, Berlin, Madrid looking down on folk whose lives and areas haven't benefitted from the old school tie and right qualifications, whilst local industry has drained away, local councils have been drained of money and areas have been forced to house immgrants in the poorest areas for more money, not listening to or even caring about your concerns but the anger would be more effective if it was focused on certain aspects of the UK's leadership, not just the EU.........'

[Not in Crawley]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

If a deal is agreed today it will be good news but I’ve a suspicion that the ERG and DUP are going to disrupt things. The Northern Ireland parliament needs to start functioning again.

The DUP don't hold as much power over the government anymore, so I'm hopeful they won't. 

It appears we're at the dotting i's and crossing t's stage.

How it goes down with the ERG is more of an issue directly for Sunack himself - but Labour will be supporting it, so I'm sure it'll go through. As I say it's more of an issue the PM directly after it's been signed off, and if the ERG start whipping up any ill-feeling in the likes of those brexit supporting areas (which is what Johnson will be hoping for)

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The DUP don't hold as much power over the government anymore, so I'm hopeful they won't. 

It appears we're at the dotting i's and crossing t's stage.

How it goes down with the ERG is more of an issue directly for Sunack himself - but Labour will be supporting it, so I'm sure it'll go through. As I say it's more of an issue the PM directly after it's been signed off, and if the ERG start whipping up any ill-feeling in the likes of those brexit supporting areas (which is what Johnson will be hoping for)

It should only get passed after proper due diligence by all parties. The utter bullshit fed to everyone about the previous "oven-ready" deal should make sure of that.

[Spider]

The visionaries did say this is exactly how it would all pan out.

They didn’t say it in recorded form, but you can tell they were definitely thinking it when they said it would all be sorted quickly.

[Not in Crawley]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It should only get passed after proper due diligence by all parties. The utter bullshit fed to everyone about the previous "oven-ready" deal should make sure of that.

Yeah it will do - the EU are saying they want parlimentary approval. As the Newcast episode goes into the EU are working hard with the PM to make sure is 'sellable' to parliment as it's in their benefit as well.

The idea of 'putting up extra blocks and being unhelpful' is simply nonsense. As they say, they have been in praise of Sunack after May and Johnson, which is why people who hold this view should look at a slightly broader picture.

I doubt they will though (and this isn't just a blind support of the EU, its just what has happened and what is happening)

[Spider]

Did you know there are still people who thought Boris Johnson did a good job?

Sunak has barely had time to change the wallpaper and seems to be getting things done.

And he's still a bit shit.

Johnson and Mogg must be grinding their teeth to stumps whilst belling their agents to get them gigs on shit like GB News.

[Not in Crawley]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

Did you know there are still people who thought Boris Johnson did a good job?

Sunak has barely had time to change the wallpaper and seems to be getting things done.

And he's still a bit shit.

Johnson and Mogg must be grinding their teeth to stumps whilst belling their agents to get them gigs on shit like GB News.

My mum said to me when she was down visiting that 'our Johnson' will be back and that'll show me/our lot/the EU etc etc. I quickly moved everyone onto a game of Cluedo with the kids. Thankfully Professor Plum becalmed the waters...

Mogg was grinding his teeth into a very nice partridge when I saw him. I don't blame him, it was lovely.

Sunak is a technocrat, I don't agree with him on any policy or position, but he'll know that he needs a working relationship with the EU. Thankfully, the ERG/Conservative grassroots didn't put him there so he's not in hock to them, and Johnson's government's mandate means he's not having to do deals with the DUP - so at least let's thank him for that.

He's in a stronger position than May (due to the DUP and Johnson's power has waned) Johnson (Because of the lies he told to get that mandate) and Truss (because he's not backed up by the ERG and the grassroots are putting up with him for now)

There is also a sense of an endgame, that this is the last Conservative PM for a while, and there needs to at least be a party to fight back at the next election rather than a total decimation which would need at least a decade to rebuild.

 

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

My mum said to me when she was down visiting that 'our Johnson' will be back and that'll show me/our lot/the EU etc etc. I quickly moved everyone onto a game of Cluedo with the kids. Thankfully Professor Plum becalmed the waters...

Mogg was grinding his teeth into a very nice partridge when I saw him. I don't blame him, it was lovely.

Sunak is a technocrat, I don't agree with him on any policy or position, but he'll know that he needs a working relationship with the EU. Thankfully, the ERG/Conservative grassroots didn't put him there so he's not in hock to them, and Johnson's government's mandate means he's not having to do deals with the DUP - so at least let's thank him for that.

He's in a stronger position than May (due to the DUP and Johnson's power has waned) Johnson (Because of the lies he told to get that mandate) and Truss (because he's not backed up by the ERG and the grassroots are putting up with him for now)

There is also a sense of an endgame, that this is the last Conservative PM for a while, and there needs to at least be a party to fight back at the next election rather than a total decimation which would need at least a decade to rebuild.

 

 

All great.

It’s still easier for a company in Ireland to buy off a supplier in Holland than off a company in the UK.

But winners and losers. 🤪

[Zico]

2750 pages in

has anyone changed their mind on anything yet?

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, Zico said:

2750 pages in

has anyone changed their mind on anything yet?

Alan was right.

[Not in Crawley]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

All great.

It’s still easier for a company in Ireland to buy off a supplier in Holland than off a company in the UK.

But winners and losers. 🤪

Oh, yeah its not going to fix all that obviously.

Y'know economic unions and all that nonsense that Thatcher spoke about.

"Let Europe be a family of nations, understanding each other better, appreciating each other more, doing more together but relishing our national identity no less than our common European endeavour. Let us have a Europe which plays its full part in the wider world, which looks outward not inward, and which preserves that Atlantic community—that Europe on both sides of the Atlantic—which is our noblest inheritance and our greatest strength".

A pro-european (certainly pro-common market) speech that got twisted as anti-europe and some say was the starting pistol that has driven us here. Although, not sure many folks know much about it, sadly.

[Not in Crawley]

Bloody nora - just looking at some sales figure here for an Irish tour, since when did the pound drop to 0.88 against the euro? When we went onsale on the 20th Jan it was 1.14.

Right fucks up the movement.

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Bloody nora - just looking at some sales figure here for an Irish tour, since when did the pound drop to 0.88 against the euro? When we went onsale on the 20th Jan it was 1.14.

Right fucks up the movement.

I remember when a pound got you 1.60 Euros which was enough for 2 pints on a plastic chair in Benny

[Mounts Kipper]

20 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Bloody nora - just looking at some sales figure here for an Irish tour, since when did the pound drop to 0.88 against the euro? When we went onsale on the 20th Jan it was 1.14.

Right fucks up the movement.

How about never. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Explain why it’s “not as simple as it was.” The products haven’t changed and if they were acceptable before why hot now? If the EU just took a sensible and pragmatic attitude to negotiations it would be every bit as simple as it was. Stop defending this bunch of bureaucrats who want to put as many obstacles as possible into every situation they can. Why can you just not see this, you’re a Brit aren’t you?

Look W63, I generally like the cut of your jib but spelling isn't your strong point is it? It isn't B-r-i-t, it's S-h-i-t.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Look W63, I generally like the cut of your jib but spelling isn't your strong point is it? It isn't B-r-i-t, it's S-h-i-t.

I'm more English/British than you'll ever be, and I'm a 3rd generation immigrant 😎

[Not in Crawley]

20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How about never. 

Fair enough, I'll have another look, just want to balance the sales figs is all.

[Not in Crawley]

24 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

How about never. 

Can you tell me where I'm going wrong then? I'm just searching around the Internet and I'm getting that the current exchange rate is 1 euro = 0.88 sterling.

If you can point out where I'm going wrong, that would be great. Thanks!

Just a quick example and I'm getting that everywhere...https://www.exchangerates.org.uk/Euros-to-Pounds-currency-conversion-page.html

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Not in Crawley