Politics

[kent_white]

Whichever way you spin it - the Tories have sunk this country. 

Austerity bollocks which cost us billions, massive under investment in public services, cutting ourselves off from our closest trading partner, fucking the economy in 24 hours under Liz Truss and my mortgage going up £365 a year. 

PS - my NHS pay rise meant my pay went up £80 a month. 

How anybody in their right mind can claim the Tories are a safe pair of hands with the economy is beyond me. They're an absolute unmitigated disaster. 

I'd take Blair and Brown back in a heartbeat. 

It's going to knacker our family this. 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If it wasn’t for freedom of movement the floodgates wouldn’t of opened in the first place to the extent it has, add to that Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine wars in addition to Islamic wars across Africa whoever was in power over this period would have faced the same increase in refugees. The countries across Europe have very little border control thanks to FOM and are basically turning a blind eye to those travelling across Europe who want to gain entry to the UK and finally the French don’t give a fuck allowing immigrants to take hazardous sailings across the channel… we are paying them and they aren’t doing the job they are being paid to do. 

Maybe go back and watch the video Cheese posted. 

It disproves much of what you just said. 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

"We are top of the league, say we are top of the league"

Probably have to sell the house anyway as me and my Mrs are splitting. This is just like the final nail in the coffin. But anyway - thanks for your kind words! 😁

All countries been at between 10-12% Germany and Italy higher inflation at the peak than us and the peak timescales different, the French have subsidised energy more than most and also have nuclear energy that has reduced inflation in their case. This graph conforms Inflation is not Brexit related. 

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

People already saying they will vote Labour. It’s madness, like a cult. People need to realise it’s not a football team.

Exactly.

Lunacy.

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

All countries been at between 10-12% Germany and Italy higher inflation at the peak than us and the peak timescales different, the French have subsidised energy more than most and also have nuclear energy that has reduced inflation in their case. This graph conforms Inflation is not Brexit related. 

Do you think we'd be in a better or a worse position right now if we were still in the EU?

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Labour have considered it before, but yes it's unlikely. 

Why don't you tell us the answer to your question? It seems you already have an idea. 

I have absolutely no idea. I thought maybe those who had worked with refugees in the past may have an idea but obviously not. 
 

All weird, kind of cancels the theory that those men coming over are going to work hard so the rest of their family have something to come over to. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Do you think we'd be in a better or a worse position right now if we were still in the EU?

Looking at the graph your mortgage would have still gone up a fair whack. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by royal white

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

Looking at the graph your mortgage would have still gone up a fair whack. 

It would. But not as much as the other countries in the EU. 

Sorry for sounding like a cunt tonight. I'm just fucked off. Family falling apart. Bills we won't be able to pay. 

I'll cheer up tomorrow! 😁

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, kent_white said:

Do you think we'd be in a better or a worse position right now if we were still in the EU?

We’re in a worse position because of wars across the globe.  Why would be in a better position if we were still in the EU? 

[Spider]

Some folk lose their houses. Or second houses.

There are always winners and losers.

It is, what it is.

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We’re in a worse position because of wars across the globe.  Why would be in a better position if we were still in the EU? 

Because the cost of importing goods from our largest trading partner would not have increased to the same extent.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

Because the cost of importing goods from our largest trading partner would not have increased to the same extent.

Goods have increased because of fuel and freight hikes, what other costs have EU imported goods incurred? 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Goods have increased because of fuel and freight hikes, what other costs have EU imported goods incurred? 

I don't know and I don't care. 

All I care about is this letter.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It would. But not as much as the other countries in the EU. 

Sorry for sounding like a cunt tonight. I'm just fucked off. Family falling apart. Bills we won't be able to pay. 

I'll cheer up tomorrow! 😁

I have uk and eu variable mortgage there is little difference in mortgage rates, uk 7% and eu 6.73. 

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I have uk and eu variable mortgage there is little difference in mortgage rates, uk 7% and eu 6.73. 

Must be tough that mate!

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I don't know and I don't care. 

All I care about is this letter.

 

I’m 8000 per year worse off because of interest rates than I was 18 months ago so I feel your pain. 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m 8000 per year worse off because of interest rates than I was 18 months ago so I feel your pain. 

Jesus - and I thought I had it bad. Have you got the money to cope with it till interest rates start to come down?

[Sweep]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s not happened and unlikely to happen anytime soon yet they’re still coming. Does anyone have any idea why? 

I think we've established that nobody knows why. You can ask as often as you like, you won't get the answer on here. If it bothers you, and it seems to, you need to get down to Kent and ask a few of them

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Whichever way you spin it - the Tories have sunk this country. 

Austerity bollocks which cost us billions, massive under investment in public services, cutting ourselves off from our closest trading partner, fucking the economy in 24 hours under Liz Truss and my mortgage going up £365 a year. 

PS - my NHS pay rise meant my pay went up £80 a month. 

How anybody in their right mind can claim the Tories are a safe pair of hands with the economy is beyond me. They're an absolute unmitigated disaster. 

I'd take Blair and Brown back in a heartbeat. 

It's going to knacker our family this. 

Conservatives didn't back brexit. Neither did Labour.

And for the umpteenth time, following the 2008 crash, there was no money. If roles had been reversed, Labour too wouldn't have been able to spend as they had before.

As we've seen recently, borrowing too much leads to inflationary pressures and interest rate increases.

I've always believed that "austerity" perhaps went on too long, but initially cuts to spending were utterly unavoidable. 

More recently, If lockdowns/furlough hadn't happened to the same level, borrowing would be much lower, and the nation may have been in a better position financially. 

But we did what we did- "protect the nhs" being the motto- and I think most were happy with that, certainly at the time. 

A business man told me furlough was a bad idea as he said shit would hit the fan later, exactly as it has, but I'm still of the belief it was the humane thing to do. Laying blame for subsequent cost impacts is unreasonable.

Remember Labour wanted lockdowns to continue, which would have made the economic situation worse, so it doesn't stack up that the country would have been better off financially. 

If that subsequently means some belt tightening now, as it all gets paid for, so be it. I'm likely to have been impacted more than most, possibly even about to lose a livelihood, but I'm not getting bitter about it nor blaming any particular individual or party. The world went through unprecedented times and we're all now gradually returning back.

 

 

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m 8000 per year worse off because of interest rates than I was 18 months ago so I feel your pain. 

Winners and losers

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I think we've established that nobody knows why. You can ask as often as you like, you won't get the answer on here. If it bothers you, and it seems to, you need to get down to Kent and ask a few of them

I sometimes question Ian Evatts tactics, I don’t wait outside the stadium to ask him though. I thought a charity worker might have an idea. Anyways next time I’ll run it by you to make sure it’s ok to post. 👍

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Jesus - and I thought I had it bad. Have you got the money to cope with it till interest rates start to come down?

I’ve had to access my private pension to help me out, which didn’t want to do. Hope you can cope..it’s a shit show for loads of folk. 

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Conservatives didn't back brexit. Neither did Labour.

And for the umpteenth time, following the 2008 crash, there was no money. If roles had been reversed, Labour too wouldn't have been able to spend as they had before.

As we've seen recently, borrowing too much leads to inflationary pressures and interest rate increases.

I've always believed that "austerity" perhaps went on too long, but initially cuts to spending were utterly unavoidable. 

More recently, If lockdowns/furlough hadn't happened to the same level, borrowing would be much lower, and the nation may have been in a better position financially. 

But we did what we did- "protect the nhs" being the motto- and I think most were happy with that, certainly at the time. 

A business man told me furlough was a bad idea as he said shit would hit the fan later, exactly as it has, but I'm still of the belief it was the humane thing to do. Laying blame for subsequent cost impacts is unreasonable.

Remember Labour wanted lockdowns to continue, which would have made the economic situation worse, so it doesn't stack up that the country would have been better off financially. 

If that subsequently means some belt tightening now, as it all gets paid for, so be it. I'm likely to have been impacted more than most, possibly even about to lose a livelihood, but I'm not getting bitter about it nor blaming any particular individual or party. The world went through unprecedented times and we're all now gradually returning back.

 

 

Well someone is benefitting from high interest rates.

But you can bet your wheelbarrow it isn’t Joe Normal.

[London Wanderer]

Never seen “austerity” in inverted commas before. Is that just for people who weren’t affected by it? So it didn’t exist.

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

Winners and losers

That’s life.