What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Anyway, this is what we can all look forward to. The deputy leader of the Labour Party.

https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1698652792200495119?s=46&t=RFbF_xS04HC93SGLGD-0pw

How far back in time have people had to go to find that clip? 4 years?

The Tories are fucking us daily, here and now.

7 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Instead of concerning yourself with how other people vote, you should be looking at what the next Labour government will do for you and the country. There is very little mention of our next government (seems very likely) not even a mention of the reshuffle today. Seems strange to me. As I’ve said before, Labour will get in because the Tories are so bad, not that they are any good. Worrying times.

It is a fair point you make about why vote Labour. Could you give us the 3 main Tory policies that you think might convince people to vote for them ? 

1 hour ago, Ani said:

It is a fair point you make about why vote Labour. Could you give us the 3 main Tory policies that you think might convince people to vote for them ? 

🤔good question. There are so many positives to choose from the last 13 years.  Will BB go for economy, NHS, law and order, environment, trade, water quality or education ? Oh ok Jeremy Corbyn then😅

Maybe if the Tories hadn’t been so utterly inept, it wouldn’t have driven people to what is basically a stab in the dark vote.

All most folk know for sure is they want no more of this lot.

I notice that nobody has actually presented a single reason to vote them back in.

After 12 years, you’d think they’d have something to be proud of.

And yet, the case for the defence is silence.

 

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Maybe if the Tories hadn’t been so utterly inept, it wouldn’t have driven people to what is basically a stab in the dark vote.

All most folk know for sure is they want no more of this lot.

I notice that nobody has actually presented a single reason to vote them back in.

After 12 years, you’d think they’d have something to be proud of.

And yet, the case for the defence is silence.

 

So who do we vote in and based on what? 

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

So who do we vote in and based on what? 

Green Party for me.

you sticking with Rishi?

 

28 minutes ago, royal white said:

So who do we vote in and based on what? 

👨‍🦯

24 minutes ago, Spider said:

Green Party for me.

you sticking with Rishi?

 

#team Boris

Turns out Tony Blair was right when he said Iraac had weapons of mass destruction 

5 hours ago, Ani said:

It is a fair point you make about why vote Labour. Could you give us the 3 main Tory policies that you think might convince people to vote for them ? 

I’m not here to push a Tory agenda. I’ve simply asked what do Labour have to offer. A simple question that constantly gets pushed back to the Tories. The general consensus is that ‘they can’t be any worse’ I believe they can. It’s as simple as that. 

9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I’m not here to push a Tory agenda. I’ve simply asked what do Labour have to offer. A simple question that constantly gets pushed back to the Tories. The general consensus is that ‘they can’t be any worse’ I believe they can. It’s as simple as that. 

I take that as nothing then. I agree with you. 

10 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

To be fair, and I don’t often say this, that’s the clearest account of the state of the Labour Party at the moment that anyone on here has posted. You say I’m biased, maybe but I’m still willing to look at both sides and vote accordingly. 
I’ve said previously that Blair proved he had a government in waiting before the 97 election. I’m still not convinced that Starmer has. Of course the Tories self destruction will enable a Labour victory but I have my doubts that things will get any better. (To coin a phrase)
 

Being a member of the Labour Party and on the local CLP, its clear what has been going on for a while now that basically he's bringing back centrists, and as a core centrist myself its great to see the party wanting to get back into power rather than just trying to exisit on a moral high ground that would be lovely if I was 16 again and in the common room. You certainly wouldn't get me defending the route Corybn took us down (despite some very good policy pledges) and his odd attack dogs that seem to follow his leadership, I've been called a Red Tory more than once.

Despite sounding very Pooterist at times, anyone who things Stramer is a soft touch liberal is sorely mistaken, he's certainly not weakwilling and I doubt anyone in the party could have performed the transformation he has in such a short period of time.

Interestingly, I don't see the 97 thing. In Blair's, Brown's and Cambell's biogs they admit they came into power woefully unequiped, and it wasn't until the second term that they really started to move on things, the first time was mainly good will and the landslide that kept them going, and as Blair says it takes at least three terms to affect proper change.

There will be Tories waiting to call the next giovernment a failure after 6 months - you can see them now standing at the slips, but to say things can't get better after what we have just seen over 13 years does seem a little strange, even just middle of the road competent bureaucracy would be better than what we've had to put up with. If Labour do get in, I hope the country gives them the time needed.

 

26 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Being a member of the Labour Party and on the local CLP, its clear what has been going on for a while now that basically he's bringing back centrists, and as a core centrist myself its great to see the party wanting to get back into power rather than just trying to exisit on a moral high ground that would be lovely if I was 16 again and in the common room. You certainly wouldn't get me defending the route Corybn took us down (despite some very good policy pledges) and his odd attack dogs that seem to follow his leadership, I've been called a Red Tory more than once.

Despite sounding very Pooterist at times, anyone who things Stramer is a soft touch liberal is sorely mistaken, he's certainly not weakwilling and I doubt anyone in the party could have performed the transformation he has in such a short period of time.

Interestingly, I don't see the 97 thing. In Blair's, Brown's and Cambell's biogs they admit they came into power woefully unequiped, and it wasn't until the second term that they really started to move on things, the first time was mainly good will and the landslide that kept them going, and as Blair says it takes at least three terms to affect proper change.

There will be Tories waiting to call the next giovernment a failure after 6 months - you can see them now standing at the slips, but to say things can't get better after what we have just seen over 13 years does seem a little strange, even just middle of the road competent bureaucracy would be better than what we've had to put up with. If Labour do get in, I hope the country gives them the time needed.

 

👍indeed. It will definitely take two terms to make effective change after this lot. I am hoping for Starmer to do some simple inexpensive things to start the process. Things that the Tories have manifestly failed to do.

Firstly initiate dialogue with disenchanted doctors, nurses, teachers, police, etc. so we can keep the good ones and invest in a plan for training the new ones. Secondly, work with our neighbours in a diplomatic manner rather than constant bickering we have seen from Tories with devolved governments and France/Ireland. All it does is create barriers to working on common goals.  Thirdly, start holding to account private corporations on their costs and performance (energy, transport, water) so that executives are not taking huge pay without delivering for the public. 
 

Those three things don’t actually cost that much, it is more an investment in planning and cooperation. If we start with that our country would be far better already.

ive never seen such inept lack of effort to deal with industrial action

blaming nhs staff for waiting lists as though they have no part to play in the disputes - and forgetting that lists were already at record levels

 

blaming train unions when its clear as day they are doing fuck all to reach some acceptable compromise

i mean, wtf does barclay actually do

the railways are broken and he just, well, well, he does nowt

what does he actually do other than funding the TOCs to prolong the dispute at a greater cost than settling it

20 minutes ago, Casino said:

ive never seen such inept lack of effort to deal with industrial action

blaming nhs staff for waiting lists as though they have no part to play in the disputes - and forgetting that lists were already at record levels

 

blaming train unions when its clear as day they are doing fuck all to reach some acceptable compromise

i mean, wtf does barclay actually do

the railways are broken and he just, well, well, he does nowt

what does he actually do other than funding the TOCs to prolong the dispute at a greater cost than settling it

I agree. They sit there pretending they are negotiating when in actual fact they are doing nothing other than hide behind pay review panels.

similarly with immigration. Not processing asylum claims whilst bumbling on about Rwanda and stopping boats. Totally pathetic.

The farce regarding schools this week sums them up. A nobody minister with no personality or knowledge to deal with an issue being stood in front of a camera and making the situation seem even worse. A PM , who used to be Chancellor saying it is not his fault. Even the Daily Mail have turned on the Govt today, which implies there is a leadership challenge coming.

This mean instead of dealing with any of the issues in schools, on the railways, in the NHS, in the tax offices, in the boats, in the economy the focus will be on more infighting and Norines book. 
 

The list of people the Govt have blamed for the current mess is endless; leftie lawyers, barristers, railway staff, teachers, doctors , nurses, Putin, EU, driving instructors, MSM, every other media type, Labour, civil servants.  Covid, each other (but not themselves), the SNP, the NHS, Sadiq Khan, the Irish Border, (but not Brexit), people who live in London, Climate scientists, climate deniers,world economy, BOE, Boris (but also not Boris), Truss (but also not Truss), May (not as bad as others but no one defends her) , the blob, the establishment, Farage, GB News (unless they are presenters) , house building (too much and too little) and the Welsh.

Sorry to anyone I missed. 

23 minutes ago, Ani said:

The farce regarding schools this week sums them up. A nobody minister with no personality or knowledge to deal with an issue being stood in front of a camera and making the situation seem even worse. A PM , who used to be Chancellor saying it is not his fault. Even the Daily Mail have turned on the Govt today, which implies there is a leadership challenge coming.

This mean instead of dealing with any of the issues in schools, on the railways, in the NHS, in the tax offices, in the boats, in the economy the focus will be on more infighting and Norines book. 
 

The list of people the Govt have blamed for the current mess is endless; leftie lawyers, barristers, railway staff, teachers, doctors , nurses, Putin, EU, driving instructors, MSM, every other media type, Labour, civil servants.  Covid, each other (but not themselves), the SNP, the NHS, Sadiq Khan, the Irish Border, (but not Brexit), people who live in London, Climate scientists, climate deniers,world economy, BOE, Boris (but also not Boris), Truss (but also not Truss), May (not as bad as others but no one defends her) , the blob, the establishment, Farage, GB News (unless they are presenters) , house building (too much and too little) and the Welsh.

Sorry to anyone I missed. 

I read something earlier saying that it is perfectly possible that there will be a leadership challenge, can you imagine what a shitstorm that would be

5 hours ago, Spider said:

Maybe if the Tories hadn’t been so utterly inept, it wouldn’t have driven people to what is basically a stab in the dark vote.

All most folk know for sure is they want no more of this lot.

I notice that nobody has actually presented a single reason to vote them back in.

After 12 years, you’d think they’d have something to be proud of.

And yet, the case for the defence is silence.

 

Its not going to be a stab in the dark vote though. We're not in the election cycle yet. When the manifesto's come out, then we will know what we are actually voting for. Until then, we won't - from any party.

The reshuffle yesterday was to make sure if Labour come into power they will have people in the cabinet who have been there before so it's not a total shitshow and they can hit the ground running. It was also high in the news agenda - certainly on the world at one, the Today programe, neswnight etc ie politically lead programmes and podcasts. The idea that an opposition cabinet reshuffle makes general headlines when most people don't even care about an actual cabinet reshuffle is for the faries. 

Plus you have Sue Gray at the helm, so they won't take as long at the Blairite's did to get their feet under the table. No one in 97b had been in a cabinet before. That won't be the case this time.

I think this is a hugely positive step from a party far ahead in the polls to make sure if they get in they can govern from day one. There is also more a a policy angle to these appointments which is also very encouraging.

 

Also, if people are that bothered at this time - there are key missions that Labour's manifesto will be built around. This will form the broad basis of their electoral pledges. Basically Green, Economy, Health, Education, Justice - all the tenpoles that every major party should use - although with the economy gone for the Tories, it'll be immigration all the way.

Also a bit of new governance to move more power directly away from westminister and in the hands qualified local leaders for their communitites,

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/5-Missions-for-a-Better-Britain.pdf

 

 

when they got in

in 2010 it was David Cameron 

seams like a lifetime a go 

1 hour ago, little whitt said:

when they got in

in 2010 it was David Cameron 

seams like a lifetime a go 

And Nick Clegg - don't forget that. What a different country we were.

4 hours ago, little whitt said:

when they got in

in 2010 it was David Cameron 

seams like a lifetime a go 

He’s the biggest twat of them all.

11 minutes ago, tomski said:

He’s the biggest twat of them all.

 

13 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

 

He arrogantly opened the doors, thought it'd be an easy win to quiet down the loonpots in his own party, then left the floor clear for them to take over his party and the country.

But like most from a certain strata of society (and believe me I've worked with enough Eton old boys to see the trope) walked away and then said it was circumstance.

All the major leaders of leading countries told him not to be so blasé about where the referendum would lead - not just about leaving the EU but what it would unleash.

Him and Obsbourne have walked away scott free and they lit this fuse. If I was a Conservative on the centre of my party I'd be as angry at them as I was at Corybn.

It's Tory infighting and party politics over the country as per usual it would seem.

Quite.