Politics

[tomski]

I’m not sure what’s the point of pursing this now as nothing will come of it. 

Seems a genuine waste of time and money with an intention not to find anything.
 

 

[TM Trotter]

3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

What point you trying to make here? 

I'm just looking at the graph, as presented. 

We've grown less than the continental collective which so happens to include the aforementioned countries. 

I'm just immensely proud of being British. What point are you trying to make here?

[Casino]

47 minutes ago, tomski said:

I’m not sure what’s the point of pursing this now as nothing will come of it

Im probably being petty, but im loving it, in an i told you so way

Loads including plenty on here bleated about waiting for the enquiry

To be fair, theyve run a mile and avoiding the thread, arent you lads

Ps you know who you are

[TM Trotter]

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

Im probably being petty, but im loving it, in an i told you so way

Loads including plenty on here bleated about waiting for the enquiry

To be fair, theyve run a mile and avoiding the thread, arent you lads

Ps you know who you are

Almost like the political pyramid scheme empowering old closet racists to "speak their mind" is being eroded, bit by bit. 

Good. 

2024 is going to be so satisfying. 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, TM Trotter said:

Almost like the political pyramid scheme empowering old closet racists to "speak their mind" is being eroded, bit by bit. 

Good. 

2024 is going to be so satisfying. 

Ah, a revisit of the 'thick owd racists' jibe. Well done.

Your last word should have been 'stultifying'. Would be much more accurate looking at the likely GE outcome.

Summers lease (will likely) hath all too short a date. One term wonders.

 

[little whitt]

6 hours ago, Casino said:

Im probably being petty, but im loving it, in an i told you so way

Loads including plenty on here bleated about waiting for the enquiry

To be fair, theyve run a mile and avoiding the thread, arent you lads

Ps you know who you are

Are they getting 

BORIS the Bastard in 

[gonzo]

10 hours ago, royal white said:

He has a point on this. 

He really doesnt.

Its absolutely fuck all to do with left and right. It never was.

Let the bodies pile high eh? 

[gonzo]

8 hours ago, tomski said:

I’m not sure what’s the point of pursing this now as nothing will come of it. 

Seems a genuine waste of time and money with an intention not to find anything.
 

 

Think we could do with knowing how to deal with another one tbh.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

8 hours ago, TM Trotter said:

I'm just looking at the graph, as presented. 

We've grown less than the continental collective which so happens to include the aforementioned countries. 

I'm just immensely proud of being British. What point are you trying to make here?

Bulgaria Slovakia and Cyprus don’t feature on the graph. Only a silly billy would compare countries that aren’t individually included and have no real size of economy to those on the graph. Any how your last paragraphs we can agree on you can have a plus 1 for that. 👍

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[Zico]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Think we could do with knowing how to deal with another one tbh.

 

Aye, read that the aim of the enquiry is about learning from the mistakes that were made 

It's just that there's a lot of them so it comes across as a blame game whilst showing how inept the government were at the time

Which is fair enough

[tomski]

16 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Think we could do with knowing how to deal with another one tbh.

 

Fair shout. You leftist bedwetter

[Not in Crawley]

9 hours ago, tomski said:

I’m not sure what’s the point of pursing this now as nothing will come of it. 

Seems a genuine waste of time and money with an intention not to find anything.
 

 

It's vital. We have to hold those into power into account for the decisions they make, not for retribution but so lessons are learnt and the same mistakes are not repeated.

From this better planning for national health crises will emerge - maybe an independent body to help the political system.cope. it's clear the playbook they were working to was a dusted down 'flu guidelines' and they weren't prepared.

It's not simply punishment - it's about learning from mistakes so we as a country don't repeat them.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Not in Crawley

[tomski]

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It's vital. We have to hold those into power into account for the decisions they make, not for retribution but so lessons are learnt and the same mistakes are not repeated.

From this better planning for national health crises will emerge - maybe an independent body to help the political system.cope. it's clear the playbook they were working to was a dusted down 'flu guidelines' and they weren't prepared.

It's not simply punishment - it's about learning from mistakes so we as a country don't repeat them.

Aye my point is though, nothing will come of it. Transparency isn’t a word that sits in their DNA’s. Will be a load of bollocks 

[royal white]

It’s going to be tough to blame anyone. Even now some experts can’t agree on what they would do. Guaranteed if there was a similar pandemic next week many countries would take a different approach.
 

Who’s right and who’s wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

[Not in Crawley]

59 minutes ago, tomski said:

Aye my point is though, nothing will come of it. Transparency isn’t a word that sits in their DNA’s. Will be a load of bollocks 

But something usually comes of it - that's the point of independent inquiries - the recommendations and reforms that follow to be taken on board by the CS and government. You do have a certain point though, there is no routine procedure for holding the government into account if they don't follow up on promises made after enquries and MPs LOVE them (see The Thick of It) because it immediately takes political pressure off them following a fuck up and then they've kicked the responsibility to someone else (hence the endless 'it would be wrong for me to comment' lines you hear endlessly trotted out to avoid media questions over tricky subjects, especially when people have died) Look at how long the Grenfell enquiry has taken - finished in November last year, report to be published in 2024, when we might even have a totally new government.

Checks and balances - everyone is accountable and lessons from failures learnt. It's why we have this system, imperfect though it is. They do have other options such as a Royal Comission - but this isn't as popular as it's not as public facing, and generally the public haven't got a clue what it is, or independant panels - such as was used for Hilsborough which was set up by the victims themselves and therefore did have a more transformative effect. Certain thinktanks have been pushing for change, things like interim reporting so people are still in office and a formal body permanently set up to see that recomended reforms are followed up and more scrutiny on this in select commitees.

But, despite all this - they are still essential to ensure the public finds out what happened, and if governments do not follow through on recomendations - they then find themselves accountable to the highest scrutiny of all - the ballot box.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Not in Crawley

[DazBob]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

Who’s right and who’s wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

Agree with this to a point.

... but we know who IS wrong. Those that engineered it so they could profit ... and worse, those that partied whilst us grunts couldn't go and see dying family.

 

[Traf]

 

[Traf]

My money's on Rwanda being one of the eight.

[mickbrown]

16 hours ago, tomski said:

I’m not sure what’s the point of pursing this now as nothing will come of it. 

Seems a genuine waste of time and money with an intention not to find anything.
 

 

Lessons learned and all that. 
 

And anything that makes that twatting twat Johnson look even worse is alright be me.
 

Hopefully this will finish the twat. 
 

The twat. 

[tomski]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Lessons learned and all that. 
 

And anything that makes that twatting twat Johnson look even worse is alright be me.
 

Hopefully this will finish the twat. 
 

The twat. 

Nowt will come of it. I’d like you to be right but he will be fine. Protected by someone that man.

[Sweep]

13 minutes ago, tomski said:

Nowt will come of it. I’d like you to be right but he will be fine. Protected by someone that man.

correct, fuck all will happen to him, in fact it's keeping him relevant, and he'll end up profiting further from it. Sadly

[Winchester White]

This is from the Covid enquiry but really, this is actually about how political choices were made by wankers who care much more about their ideology rhan the country.

 

[Traf]

#corbynsfault

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

This is from the Covid enquiry but really, this is actually about how political choices were made by unelected wankers who care much more about their ideology rhan the country.

 

Amended for you....

[mickbrown]

Special hairdryer to kill Covid. 
 

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