Politics

[Not in Crawley]

10 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Playing devil's advocate, do we not need folk like him on both sides to drum up actual issues that are close to people that main political parties handle with too much care to avoid losing votes?

 

Nothing wrong with being a disrupter and forcing the main parties to look at things that effect a population, but it becomes dangerous when populists get into positions of power or effect outcomes with easy solutions to much more complex societal problems. See Trump, Brexit, Immigration etc etc etc

[Cheese]

 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

It's because we didn't do it right. Maybe if we just transferred all executive power to Nigel Farage and let him, I don't know, dictate things? The country would be in a much better state. What do we reckon? We could all get some nice shirts to show that we supported him? 😁

[mickbrown]

Clever fecker. 
 

 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

It's because we didn't do it right. 

You know full well that there is much truth in this.

Just look at the civil service and their union of bastards.

An elected government runs the country, not an unelected fucking union. When they start saying they won't implement a government (of any colour) policy, they want going through with a dose of salts and those who foment want ditching and fast. Utter cunts.

[little whitt]

What LIES his he Spouting now 

 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

It's because we didn't do it right. Maybe if we just transferred all executive power to Nigel Farage and let him, I don't know, dictate things? The country would be in a much better state. What do we reckon? We could all get some nice shirts to show that we supported him? 😁

The fear amongst you left leaners is palpable.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You know full well that there is much truth in this.

Just look at the civil service and their union of bastards.

An elected government runs the country, not an unelected fucking union. When they start saying they won't implement a government (of any colour) policy, they want going through with a dose of salts and those who foment want ditching and fast. Utter cunts.

In all seriousness, is there a reason why nobody has ever mentioned, prior to the last couple of years that the Civil Service is obstructing the Government - and if it's so bad, surely the party that's been in power for the last 14 years, who it appears, from what you're saying, have been obstructed, made changes? - or even tabled a motion to make changes?

[bolty58]

Just now, Sweep said:

In all seriousness, is there a reason why nobody has ever mentioned, prior to the last couple of years that the Civil Service is obstructing the Government 

In all seriousness, doesn't it seem obvious? Post pandemic; fed up of having the same masters for 14 years and wanting a change; doing their bit for the union movement in an overall attempt to get the puppets they pay running things; infected by woke bullshit...........need I go on?

[Cheese]

19 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You know full well that there is much truth in this.

Just look at the civil service and their union of bastards.

An elected government runs the country, not an unelected fucking union. When they start saying they won't implement a government (of any colour) policy, they want going through with a dose of salts and those who foment want ditching and fast. Utter cunts.

The Civil Service are instructed by the Government of the time. If they get told to do something, they don't have a choice. They're basically robots. What do you think the Government should have instructed them to do in order to make Brexit a success?

Edited June 11, 2024 by Cheese

[athywhite1958]

14 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

If the ocean currents hit a tipping point then we’ll end up crossing the channel as well. 

Good opportunity to start a dinghy hire business?

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

In all seriousness, doesn't it seem obvious? Post pandemic; fed up of having the same masters for 14 years and wanting a change; doing their bit for the union movement in an overall attempt to get the puppets they pay running things; infected by woke bullshit...........need I go on?

 

What you're saying is that Boris (who you pretended to think was wonderful) was too weak to do anything to change the situation, even when he had an 80 seat majority. The Conservatives when they won the last GE, could have done pretty much anything they wanted to, I'd have thought the first thing they would have done is clamp down on the Civil Service obstructing them.

[Nowack]

18 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The Civil Service are instructed by the Government of the time. If they get told to do something, they don't have a choice. They're basically robots. What do you think the Government should have instructed them to do in order to make Brexit a success?

Unless it is illegal.

[gonzo]

Any civil servant I've met spends all day tossing it off on flexi time and smashes the nearest boozer for lunch every day.

 

[tomski]

I may be wrong but woke only came about in a Tory government didn’t it?

Im still not fully sure what a ‘woke’ is but never heard of it till a few years ago

[tomski]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Any civil servant I've met spends all day tossing it off on flexi time and smashes the nearest boozer for lunch every day.

 

As I would. Where do you apply ?

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, tomski said:

I may be wrong but woke only came about in a Tory government didn’t it?

Im still not fully sure what a ‘woke’ is but never heard of it till a few years ago

It’s something to do with Jeremy Corbyn probably

[Casino]

44 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The Civil Service are instructed by the Government of the time. If they get told to do something, they don't have a choice. They're basically robots. What do you think the Government should have instructed them to do in order to make Brexit a success?

The aussie would be happy for the CS to break the law

[gonzo]

21 minutes ago, tomski said:

As I would. Where do you apply ?

Not here...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy00pnv970po

 

Bad one this. Keeps catching back fire.

[Spider]

Just now, Casino said:

The aussie would be happy for the CS to break the law

He likes a disruptor

Apart from the ones that deserve a water cannon

Not them disruptors.

He thinks changing your mind is a sign of weakness, unless he does it.

He couldn't be more confused if he was wearing heels.

[Manchester_whites]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

He likes a disruptor

Apart from the ones that deserve a water cannon

Not them disruptors.

He thinks changing your mind is a sign of weakness, unless he does it.

He couldn't be more confused if he was wearing heels.

Being upside down in Australia doesn’t help 🙃

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

In all seriousness, doesn't it seem obvious? Post pandemic; fed up of having the same masters for 14 years and wanting a change; doing their bit for the union movement in an overall attempt to get the puppets they pay running things; infected by woke bullshit...........need I go on?

Fuck me. 
 

Early onset?

[Ani]

Farage is a master at controlling the media and the messages he wants to get over.

He made a statement the other weeks that basically said Muslims are not patriotic and 46% of them support Hamas. That grabs the headline, targets Muslims so the dog whistle is blown. He follows this up by talking about how during the war troops from across the Commonwealth joined into to fight the Nazis. So if anyone says he is racist he says 'no I talked about their contribution as well.' The 46% figure is based on a question based on the current situation do you sympathise was the case for Hamas or Israel. Which is not the same as support Hamas, but close enough not to be called out as a lie.

Today some prick threw a brick at him in Sheffield , this follows the milk shake incident. His opponents just play into hands. 

Reform are a million miles away from being set to hold positions of power. They are a 1 or 2 man band. They admitted today the snap election has meant they did not have to fully vet candidates so I bet some real horror stories will emerge. But he is possibly the most influential man in the country at the moment. 
 

 

[Ani]

Blaming the CS is the football equivalent of blaming the players when you have lost the dressing room. 
 

Any blue chip company can have groups of employees who are a pain in the fucking arse, the good companies with great leaders ensure the negatives do not become the influencers. The ones with crap leaders ignore the problem.

The idea that after 14 years the Govt have only just realised the CS are a problem would be weird. If they have known all along and done nothing it is just shows how weak they are. If they think it is a new thing then they need to explain how 'Yes Minister' was made in the 70s.

Any option reflects badly on the Govt. 

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You know full well that there is much truth in this.

Just look at the civil service and their union of bastards.

An elected government runs the country, not an unelected fucking union. When they start saying they won't implement a government (of any colour) policy, they want going through with a dose of salts and those who foment want ditching and fast. Utter cunts.

A post that shows he has no idea whatsoever as to how the civil service works. Or a democratic government.

No wonder Farage gets so much traction when this is the level of understanding.