Politics

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Also, was Rupert Lowe so vocal when his party were spending half a billion on the Rwanda scheme that achieved precisely fuck all?

His party? 

[deeane Koontz]

Could just give 3 times that to Rwanda for a publicity stunt. Oops

Edited July 19, 2024 by deeane Koontz

[Farrelli]

43 minutes ago, royal white said:

His party? 

Oh he is a reform loon. Even more reason why it has no relevance.

[mickbrown]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

It would be good to hear that HMP's currently face a shortage of Vaseline, KY Jelly, axle grease, cooking oils etc. for the immediate future.

Obsessed. Freud would have a field day. 

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Oh he is a reform loon. Even more reason why it has no relevance.

But he has a point. 

[jmjhb]

How's Rupert going to stop illegal migration in Yarmouth then?

[Traf]

Rupert Lowe was a friend and colleague of Nick Leeson.
Rupert Lowe took Southampton FC into administration.
Rupert Lowe has been accused of a witch hunt against local teachers in 'Great' Yarmouth.

 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, jmjhb said:

How's Rupert going to stop illegal migration in Yarmouth then?

It’s not his job 

[Farrelli]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

But he has a point. 

Not at all. Labour are tackling illegal immigration at source by going after the gangs which is eminently sensible but does need some investment.

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Not at all. Labour are tackling illegal immigration at source by going after the gangs which is eminently sensible but does need some investment.

Thats not what the 84 million is for though is it. 

[Ani]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

84 million to some of the most corrupt areas on earth. That will do it 🤦🏻

 

 

I have no idea if this will work, but none of the current stuff we are doing is working. Rwanda scheme at £1.8m per migrant was an expensive publicity stunt.

Starting by stopping a problem at the cause in itself makes sense but is not going to tackle the issue, but if alongside this we build better relations with France what might become possible ? https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/border-force-turns-back-migrant-boat-france-first-time-history/
 

If we actually take action to tackle the gangs with international colleagues rather than posturing and blaming the ECHR what might happen. 
 

Whatever people think about Starmer the new Govt is starting to take action, not everyone will agree with all those actions. But after last few years of incompetence and inaction hidden behind 3 word slogans things are starting to move . Labour will be judged on their results come election time by when their actions will (or will not) have had an impact. But it feels good that something is actually happening. 
 

The boat that took migrants back to France did not require the Royal Marines either 

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Thats not what the 84 million is for though is it. 

It is to stop drivers of illegal migration. You can’t be more ‘at the source’ than that. You can question if the money will be spent appropriately but the intent from our new government is excellent 

Edited July 19, 2024 by Farrelli

[Casino]

17 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s not his job 

what is his job?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

It is to stop drivers of illegal migration. You can’t be more ‘at the source’ than that. You can question if the money will be spent appropriately but the intent from our new government is excellent 

So do you think 84 million being sent to the most corrupt nations on earth to help their health services, schooling etc will work? Lammy said the other day that many are coming over because of the climate change, are they going to buy air con units to tempt them to stay? Rwanda was called a gimmick because we were paying to get rid of people, now we are paying to prevent people coming 

 

[wakey]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

what is his job?

dogwhistler

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

what is his job?

Not sure. 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, boltonboris said:

Heaven forbid they’d want to help us. Bastards. 

Huh? Lost me there. Are you looking for advice on sexual lubricants or were you implying that these JSO public school revolutionaries are offering us some help?

Just watched the long haired fucking JSO layabout on GMB this morning. FFS, everything which is wrong in our youth sat there spouting utter bollocks. Hair clippers and a bout of national service (preceded by a kick in his bollocks preferably) would do nicely.

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

So do you think 84 million being sent to the most corrupt nations on earth to help their health services, schooling etc will work? Lammy said the other day that many are coming over because of the climate change, are they going to buy air con units to tempt them to stay? Rwanda was called a gimmick because we were paying to get rid of people, now we are paying to prevent people coming 

 

No idea but all other methods for dealing with and preventing illegal immigration have failed.

Paying to prevent people leaving their own countries in the first place is the best way to stop the cycle.

Just be thankful we have a sensible pragmatic government with a different plan.  

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

No idea but all other methods for dealing with and preventing illegal immigration have failed.

Paying to prevent people leaving their own countries in the first place is the best way to stop the cycle.

Just be thankful we have a sensible pragmatic government with a different plan.  

Really? We’ve sent 10s of billions in foreign aid for decades to improve their lives yes they still come, what do you think 84 million will do? 

[SatanGreavsie]

As I said before, for a fraction of all this and Rwanda money etc you could just pay the people smugglers to become border guards. Sorted!

[gonzo]

Would it not be an idea to make it less easier to settle and receive handouts here and in the process more lucrative to stay in mainland Europe? 

Just an idea like.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Would it not be an idea to make it less easier to settle and receive handouts here and in the process more lucrative to stay in mainland Europe? 

Just an idea like.

How do you do that? 60% of cases are genuinely asylum seekers. By international law they have the right to get here and claim asylum. How are you within international law going to dissuade these asylum cases from coming here? 
 

The 40% that aren’t have been allowed to stay in hotels too. So process them and send them back which the government have started on. 
 

Then stop the trade at source and the gangs running channel crossings.

Thats the only way you can stop this. Without becoming a pariah state. Most asylum seekers don’t get here. This is the thing. People think they are all coming here but majority are stopping at various points across Europe. It’s a small amount that get to the channel. In 2023 France had more than double our asylum applications. We are the end of the chain - the reason people push through to here is not an overly generous system though putting them in hotels for months and years on end as we have been isn’t exactly putting anyone off. But the main drivers are language, perception of well paid jobs and family links here. 

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Would it not be an idea to make it less easier to settle and receive handouts here and in the process more lucrative to stay in mainland Europe? 

Just an idea like.

Logic eh? It will never catch on.

[mickbrown]

4 hours ago, Casino said:

what is his job?

Twatting about on Twitter so it seems

[Casino]

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Logic eh? It will never catch on.

Neither will rule of law it, seems

Looks like Aus has a similar problem to us with its immigrants