Politics

[Spider]

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I've mentioned above why I don't like them.

Can you not handle anyone with thoughts different to you?

I absolutely can. That's why I don't want to ban stuff on the basis that "I don't like it".

Edited June 8, 2025 by Cheese

[London Wanderer]

25 minutes ago, royal white said:

I rest my case. How many of those do you think were identified and what do you think would have prevented many from being identified? 

What case have you been making mate?

I don’t know many were identified. Do you? 

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

I wonder if any of those committing the crimes wore face coverings 

Undoubtedly some did and would still do so even if there was a ban. 

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I absolutely can. That's why I don't want to ban stuff on the basis that "I don't like it".

Why do you think religion should be done with? 

[royal white]

Just now, Farrelli said:

Undoubtedly some did and would still do so even if there was a ban. 

But let’s get those dropping fag butts hey 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

What case have you been making mate?

I don’t know many were identified. Do you? 

No, but I know for sure more would have been identified if they weren’t wearing balaclavas. 

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I absolutely can. That's why I don't want to ban stuff on the basis that "I don't like it".

I've said in about 24 different posts my reasoning.

Ask all those that backed the ban in other countries.

 

 

[Cheese]

Just now, gonzo said:

I've said in about 24 different posts my reasoning.

Ask all those that backed the ban in other countries.

And ask all those countries how effective the bans have been, and how much they've improved the lives of their citizens.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

And ask all those countries how effective the bans have been, and how much they've improved the lives of their citizens.

How would your life improve without religion? 

[frank_spencer]

32 minutes ago, Sweep said:

We should be, fuck knows why folk don't want them

Labour tried bringing them in ages ago but the Tories were dead against it.

[frank_spencer]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

How would your life improve without religion? 

It'd give me 2 options for free baby sitters on a Saturday night as the mother in law wouldn't be off to church early Sunday morning.

[kent_white]

We've all got to live on this little Island. So we need to start finding solutions to problems like this that are based on logic - and apply to everybody equally. Or at least exist to solve a known or existing problem. 

So far - nobody has given me a decent enough explanation as to why we should ban the burka which is any better than 

a) I just don't like it

or

b) It might be being used as a way to oppress women although we're not certain

or

c) It's been used on a very few occasions to commit crime

Look how much debate there's been about it on here already. 

It would be hugely controversial (and I'd argue @gonzo far more divisive than the very few women who wear it. So you'd need to make it at least palatable to most people. I can't see how you can do that without having a similar ban for all face coverings - and being really clear about what is or isn't allowed. Unless you specifically want to be seen to target one section of society but not others.

The fancy dress was a bit of a side issue admittedly - but used to illustrate the point that it's a very difficult thing to apply consistently. 

And laws which work need to be consistent. I'm ambivalent - but I'm going to need a lot more convincing to sign up to this one! 😁

[frank_spencer]

I don't get why women would want to wear a burka but I also don't get why folk would go to the supermarket in their PJs.

[Ani]

Struggling for what would be the right sentence.

 

 

[tomski]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Struggling for what would be the right sentence.

 

 

Damien 43, currently unemployed. Relationship status. It’s complicated.

[Farrelli]

27 minutes ago, royal white said:

But let’s get those dropping fag butts hey 

You brought fags up for some reason 🤷‍♀️

[athywhite1958]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I'd want it banning for it's oppressive and divisionary nature and nothing else.

Bringing fancy dress and blokes in motorcycle helmets in to is for the birds.

Nobody wants to see their face anyway. It just looks fucking awful, it makes them even more of a secular bunch than they are already and it represents stone age beliefs that have should be no part of this country or any civilised western society.

 

when I had my motorbike I always took my helmet off going in to a petrol station to pay for fuel, common courtesy

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You brought fags up for some reason 🤷‍♀️

You know the reason. 

[gonzo]

8 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You brought fags up for some reason 🤷‍♀️

Homophobe.

[kent_white]

29 minutes ago, Ani said:

Struggling for what would be the right sentence.

 

 

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone 😁

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'd not argue in favour of a burqa ban, but if someone - whoever they are - wears one each and every time they're in public it's a literal barrier to integrating into and participating fully in society

I'm not sure it is 

For example 

I've seen them going about their everyday lives wearing them, doing shopping in a supermarket then carrying the bags home

You see them out and about in places like lomgsight and levenshulme, walking in parks with their kids, waiting at bus stops 

What is it you'd expect them to do that is considered fully integrated or taking part?

They just look like folk getting on with their lives to me

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

No, but I know for sure more would have been identified if they weren’t wearing balaclavas. 

So the case you’re arguing is that people are easier to identify if they’re not in a face covering. Excellent.

I can understand people’s reasoning against the Burka. Though it’s quite a complex issue & not always a sign of a backward thinking or oppression. Proposing a ban would be huge & use a lot of political resources. No doubt there would be court cases & appeals etc. It’s understandable to question it as a priority right now. 
 

Personally I’m much more intimidated by someone in a balaclava, as they’re much more likely to commit an offence. Wasn’t long ago one of the fckers tried to ram me off my bike & take the bike. You feel on edge whenever you see them nowadays. I’m yet to have anyone in a Burka attack me or even feel intimidated by them. But maybe your (& others) experiences are different to mine.

I’d much rather we focused on the new epidemic of muppets in balaclavas than banning the Burka. Just feels like a bigger priority & including religious coverings in the ban would only slow dealing with these idiots down. Would have to be separate legislation. 

[Zico]

20 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

So the case you’re arguing is that people are easier to identify if they’re not in a face covering. Excellent.

I can understand people’s reasoning against the Burka. Though it’s quite a complex issue & not always a sign of a backward thinking or oppression. Proposing a ban would be huge & use a lot of political resources. No doubt there would be court cases & appeals etc. It’s understandable to question it as a priority right now. 
 

Personally I’m much more intimidated by someone in a balaclava, as they’re much more likely to commit an offence. Wasn’t long ago one of the fckers tried to ram me off my bike & take the bike. You feel on edge whenever you see them nowadays. I’m yet to have anyone in a Burka attack me or even feel intimidated by them. But maybe your (& others) experiences are different to mine.

I’d much rather we focused on the new epidemic of muppets in balaclavas than banning the Burka. Just feels like a bigger priority & including religious coverings in the ban would only slow dealing with these idiots down. Would have to be separate legislation. 

Bsn balaclavas and you know exactly the response will be

Didn't even realise they were a thing 

But you're right in that the country is facing a lot of issues right now, none of which will be resolved by banning burqas or face coverings 

So it was a pointless question to ask at PMQs

But we know what the point was

[Spider]

I’d ban Dryrobes first