Politics

[kent_white]

24 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

If it transpires that the national inquiry that's been announced is forensic, comprehensive, free of political interference, and leads to proper accountability and culpability if and where evidence of criminality is found, then that would genuinely be something Starmer and his government should be credited for

This is where my thoughts are. And I don't really care which political party announce or get credit/pilloried for it. I think most sides of the political persuasion would say it's the right thing to do. 

[Ani]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

What a fucking joke. He has fought this every step of the way. Wanted it dealt with by individual town councils heavily loaded with Pakistani councillors. That would be really useful eh? Certainly in terms of keeping a lid on it and minimising upset to a proportion of their base.

He's had to cave to public pressure just as he has with the winter fuel payments. Almost as bad as the various authorities and agencies who bent over backwards to cover this up/do nothing about it.

Massive fucking U Turn. You and Jol must live in some alternative universe.

 

Tories instigated the National Inquiry about 9 years ago. It took 7 years. The Tories then sat on the report and did nothing. Labour got into power and started implementing the reports recommendations. The bit people missed at the time is that they also asked the reports author to audit the report to see if based on latest information a further report was needed on specific areas. She has come back and said yes, so they are actioning that. 
 

Politically they will get attacked but when you break the facts down they have acted in a boring but proper way. The audit was instigated by Labour and they are acting on the findings, political pressure was applied but the audit was underway.

The Tories sat on the first report and did nothing. Kemi The Incompetent was Minister for Women and never raised a single point on this subject during her time in office. Labour have actioned recommendations of initial report and commissioned a report to see if more is needed and are actioning that.

The Tories want to make this a political football but it is just an own goal for them as they did fuck all about it and even voted against the child wellbeing bill because of it. Be as angry as you want about gangs if you search the site you will find @miamiwhite and me agreeing on this subject years ago. Hard to get angry with the people doing something about it.
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o.amp

Starmer himself has been accused of blocking enquiries whilst at the CPS whereas it seems that is not true

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

[kent_white]

It's Keir Starmer in charge. So whatever they do people will moan. 

If Reform or the Tories had announced it - those criticising would be creaming their kecks. 

[mickbrown]

“Give us an inquiry you fuckers”

Inquiry announced 

“An inquiry? You fuckers”

[kent_white]

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

“Give us an inquiry you fuckers”

Inquiry announced 

“An inquiry? You fuckers”

Pretty much sums it up! 

[Spider]

Starmer again.

methodical. Following correct procedures. Knowing justice isn’t always swift and must be done properly.

 

[frank_spencer]

38 minutes ago, Ani said:

Tories instigated the National Inquiry about 9 years ago. It took 7 years. The Tories then sat on the report and did nothing. Labour got into power and started implementing the reports recommendations. The bit people missed at the time is that they also asked the reports author to audit the report to see if based on latest information a further report was needed on specific areas. She has come back and said yes, so they are actioning that. 
 

Politically they will get attacked but when you break the facts down they have acted in a boring but proper way. The audit was instigated by Labour and they are acting on the findings, political pressure was applied but the audit was underway.

The Tories sat on the first report and did nothing. Kemi The Incompetent was Minister for Women and never raised a single point on this subject during her time in office. Labour have actioned recommendations of initial report and commissioned a report to see if more is needed and are actioning that.

The Tories want to make this a political football but it is just an own goal for them as they did fuck all about it and even voted against the child wellbeing bill because of it. Be as angry as you want about gangs if you search the site you will find @miamiwhite and me agreeing on this subject years ago. Hard to get angry with the people doing something about it.
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o.amp

Starmer himself has been accused of blocking enquiries whilst at the CPS whereas it seems that is not true

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

Pff you've been on this site long enough to know facts and logic have no place here.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

This is where my thoughts are. And I don't really care which political party announce or get credit/pilloried for it. I think most sides of the political persuasion would say it's the right thing to do. 

I wouldn't think that at all, to be fair

There was/is strong opposition to a national inquiry across most political persuasions

But this latest news is potentially a step in the right direction

[kent_white]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I wouldn't think that at all, to be fair

There was/is strong opposition to a national inquiry across most political persuasions

But this latest news is potentially a step in the right direction

If that's the case then I'm gobsmacked and they're out of touch.

[frank_spencer]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

If that's the case then I'm gobsmacked and they're out of touch.

Spaffing money up the wall according to our former PM 

[kent_white]

6 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Spaffing money up the wall according to our former PM 

Well quite. I don't recall the howls of derision at the time though? 

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

So are you happy with the announcement or not? All I'm really bothered about is whether we have an inquiry that finally gets to the truth - with no political interference. 

As long as we get that - I don't really care how many people have u-turned, or to what extent.

This is something that needs to happen for the country to look itself in the face and begin to heal and move forward. I think the Labour Party have recognised this. And if (with a cynical hat on) it's happened only because they're worried about losing votes - then I don't really care particularly and long as the truth comes out. Whatever that truth might be. 

The alternative would be to leave things as they are. Surely you wouldn't prefer that option would you? 

I'd just be a pragmatist about this one if I were you. 

Don't advise me on what to be mate and I'll extend the same courtesy to you. Always the realist as far as I am concerned and you usually fair and measured until the red tinged specs go on.

You or anyone else will never be able to spin this one with me. A clear case of Starmer having to do what he didn't want to do (and delayed hoping that it would go away) by dint of public pressure.

Yes, it's good it is finally happening. The British public will not forget how it was like pulling teeth just as they will not forget the Labour 'social justice' withdrawal of the winter heating allowance.

[bolty58]

The usual 'whataboutery adept' defenders leaping to his defence again I see. Let's see what happens at the next GE. I don't believe that voters will forget.

[Ani]

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Don't advise me on what to be mate and I'll extend the same courtesy to you. Always the realist as far as I am concerned and you usually fair and measured until the red tinged specs go on.

You or anyone else will never be able to spin this one with me. A clear case of Starmer having to do what he didn't want to do (and delayed hoping that it would go away) by dint of public pressure.

Yes, it's good it is finally happening. The British public will not forget how it was like pulling teeth just as they will not forget the Labour 'social justice' withdrawal of the winter heating allowance.

Fair enough. It wasn't meant to come across like that. 

I disagree - like someone else pointed out earlier on the thread. I think they've just been going through process to get where we are today. 

And it's irrelevant to me what the ultimate reason is for the inquiry. Providing it does it's job. That's what I meant about being a pragmatist. 

[royal white]

On 11/06/2025 at 20:15, Farrelli said:

 boats data

This page shows figures for the last 7 days for irregular migrants attempting to cross the English Channel in small boats without permission to enter the UK.

Date	Migrants arrived	Boats arrived	Boats involved in uncontrolled landings	Notes
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RW has not been keeping us updated on numbers of small boat crossings recently for some reason🤔

Sometimes it’s better not to post when its on things like this. You might end up looking a little silly.

 

Edited June 15, 2025 by royal white

[kent_white]

You know how I was going on about Groundnews the other day - and how it shows you the political bias on different stories so that you can check your biases and read different takes than you might usually on chosen news stories. 

This is how the furthest right leaning outlet 'The Gateway Pundit' and the furthest leaning left wing outlet 'The Huffington Post' are reporting the same story about the new grooming gangs inquiry. 

Starmer to Launch Statutory National Inquiry into UK Grooming Gangs Scandal

https://ground.news/article/sir-keir-starmer-to-launch-new-national-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs_9f334c?utm_source=mobile-app&utm_medium=newsroom-share

https://ground.news/article/sir-keir-starmer-to-launch-new-national-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs_9f334c?utm_source=mobile-app&utm_medium=newsroom-share

BBC (that Groundnews puts slap bang in the middle) for balance. 

https://ground.news/article/sir-keir-starmer-to-launch-new-national-inquiry-into-grooming-gangs_9f334c?utm_source=mobile-app&utm_medium=newsroom-share

I think it's a really interesting and useful resource if anyone is interested in getting a broad range of opinions. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

This is where my thoughts are. And I don't really care which political party announce or get credit/pilloried for it. I think most sides of the political persuasion would say it's the right thing to do. 

It is.

The suggestion that it was a decision made on Casey's new report though is weak.

Every fucker knew it was the right thing to do, following new revelations.

Anyway, it's done now, so that's water under the bridge.

Bring it on- as quickly as possible. 

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It is.

The suggestion that it was a decision made on Casey's new report though is weak.

Every fucker knew it was the right thing to do, following new revelations.

Anyway, it's done now, so that's water under the bridge.

Bring it on- as quickly as possible. 

What new revelations ? 

[royal white]

Flash backs of Diane Abbots police interview.

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Painful that. 

She's not the first though, and won't be the last.

There will be a library of such disaster interviews, going  back decades.

Not knowing exactly where the location is though is pretty basic stuff.

[Winchester White]

On 15/06/2025 at 07:51, bolty58 said:

What a fucking joke. He has fought this every step of the way. Wanted it dealt with by individual town councils heavily loaded with Pakistani councillors. That would be really useful eh? Certainly in terms of keeping a lid on it and minimising upset to a proportion of their base.

He's had to cave to public pressure just as he has with the winter fuel payments. Almost as bad as the various authorities and agencies who bent over backwards to cover this up/do nothing about it.

Massive fucking U Turn. You and Jol must live in some alternative universe.

 

She's not wrong. The Tories are in no position to criticise.

But it's OK because the likes of Bolty have long forgotten the Tories they used to vehemently support for another spiv fronting up a private company. Doff your cap, tug your forelock. 

[BobyBrno]

Maybe people should read the report and weep. Everything that was obvious to all but the ideologically stupid has been laid bare. 
Forget the failure of politicians of all parties. It’s the utter contempt for the victims by people who are more interested in calling out others racist for even suggesting the fucking obvious. 

[Winchester White]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe people should read the report and weep. Everything that was obvious to all but the ideologically stupid has been laid bare. 
Forget the failure of politicians of all parties. It’s the utter contempt for the victims by people who are more interested in calling out others racist for even suggesting the fucking obvious. 

I listened to a solicitor on the radio today who has represented a number of victims. He doesn't agree and I would say he knows a lot more about it than you or I do.

He says the last enquiry needs to be implemented in full and is worried that this new one will just delay things. 

As I stated earlier, as long as the previous enquiry recommendations are implemented alongside this new investigation then fair enough.

Oh and it's the police to me that comes out of this the worst, nothing to do with fearing racism accusations as such but that they were slags and a lifestyle choice so didn't bother.

[Spider]

28 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Maybe people should read the report and weep. Everything that was obvious to all but the ideologically stupid has been laid bare. 
Forget the failure of politicians of all parties. It’s the utter contempt for the victims by people who are more interested in calling out others racist for even suggesting the fucking obvious. 

Tell that to the millions blaming Labour.

You’re correct, by the way.