Politics

[Mounts Kipper]

No point in voting, if you can, vote with your feet and go somewhere else. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mounts Kipper

[Ani]

Just reading through the pretty vitriolic posts from last night it is scarey how the blaming ‘them’ culture is spreading.

As well as it being a so far a succesful tactic for Reform you have old folk blaming younger folk for being lazy and not appreciating how easy they now have it. The younger ones are blaming the older ones for not appreciating how hard you have to work these days to think about buying your own home , having to pay to go to Uni. Etc etc. 

The rose tinted or shit stained view of previous decades and generations is pretty inaccurate and blaming each other is a sure way to ensuring not a lot happens to improve things.

The country is not broken, it is like so many people doing its best to get by as it has done every decade that I can remember. 

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, masi 51 said:

 This country is in decline

Let's be clear, that is not just this country.

I work in The Netherlands, they think their country is the worst in Europe, mainly due to immigration....my Italian colleagues have nothing but bad things to say about Italy, they suggest it's practically a third world country, due to immigration. My Spanish colleagues will happily claim their country is currently going to hell in a handcart, because of a shit Government, and if course immigration. 

Our situation is,in reality, no better, no worse, than a lot of other European nations.

It'll get worse, it can't be fixed, we just need to get on with it.

 

[Sweep]

59 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

No point in voting, if you can, vote with your feet and go somewhere else. 

A good point, plenty of people continue to moan.

There is always the option to up sticks and move somewhere nicer. If it's so bad here, why do people stay?

[Zulu]

11 hours ago, Cheese said:

No wonder you vote for Nigel.

I've never voted for Farage, or Reform. Never will. Still, let's not have facts disturbing your wind up.

[Not in Crawley]

15 hours ago, Traf said:

I just hope that when Reform eventually gain control of any local councils, they do a better job than they're doing in the county councils they're in charge of right now.

Erm...I beg your pardon. We are living in the land of milk and honey here in Kent.

The inital 'Dodge' policy to cut wasteful spending on 'meaningless council red tape and pointless jobs' means we were lucky to have only a propsed 4% council tax hike. So, in your face Traf.

On top of that - the overspend this year was only 49 million and that's being reduced by selling council owned assets to pay for everyday council functions. And let's not forget the fact we've saved £100 million of which nearly 40 million came from the scrapping of two net zero projects, and what is even more briilaint these two projects never actually exsisted. You may mock but when this was pointed out they knew what they were doing and it was a future cost avoidence measure. See! Saving money that wasnt actually on the books to be saved in the first place. Now thats some serious forward planning.

So mock all you want, but the roads are as smooth as the channel on a summer's day, I get a personal sedan to the drs when required as we pass loads of 'immigrunts' being sent back to internment camps AND there are less DFL-ers which means the county is for local people only (if you want to get a ferry piss off to Southampton) and I don't get put in jail for saying I'm English like the rest of the woke folk.

 

 

[Spider]

My heart is overflowing with love for all these Brexit benefits

[masi 51]

9 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Let's be clear, that is not just this country.

I work in The Netherlands, they think their country is the worst in Europe, mainly due to immigration....my Italian colleagues have nothing but bad things to say about Italy, they suggest it's practically a third world country, due to immigration. My Spanish colleagues will happily claim their country is currently going to hell in a handcart, because of a shit Government, and if course immigration. 

Our situation is,in reality, no better, no worse, than a lot of other European nations.

It'll get worse, it can't be fixed, we just need to get on with it.

 

I agree with everything you say until that last part where you stick your head in the sand......Seen a well known lad on facebook yesterday who thankfully does not have the same attitude.

[Dimron]

20 minutes ago, Ani said:

 

so many people doing its best to get by as it has done every decade that I can remember. 

Agreed but the loss of respect between individuals, age groups and cultures is staggering

[Zulu]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

My heart is overflowing with love for all these Brexit benefits

You must be really proud, having voted for it.

[Sweep]

17 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

I agree with everything you say until that last part where you stick your head in the sand......Seen a well known lad on facebook yesterday who thankfully does not have the same attitude.

Not so much sticking my head in the sand, as not really arsed anymore. 

I live a fairly decent life, lovely little village, no social problems, very few "infrastructure" issues, so I'm doing OK.

When the time is right, if I feel I need to, I'll move to a property elsewhere, if I feel it'll be better. 

I don't plan on sticking around in the UK forever, so as long as my life whilst I'm here is OK, then I'm happy enough. 

Selfish? Yes, but that's the way of the world these days

Edited 2 hours ago by Sweep

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Agreed but the loss of respect between individuals, age groups and cultures is staggering

Agree but just lack of respect of others opinions is the biggest issue, fuelled massively by social media. Your opinions are driven by your experiences so we are all going to different as we always have been. But when social media is convincing people that their experience is what they read rather than what they do it just does not help

[Bertie]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

Just reading through the pretty vitriolic posts from last night it is scarey how the blaming ‘them’ culture is spreading.

As well as it being a so far a succesful tactic for Reform you have old folk blaming younger folk for being lazy and not appreciating how easy they now have it. The younger ones are blaming the older ones for not appreciating how hard you have to work these days to think about buying your own home , having to pay to go to Uni. Etc etc. 

The rose tinted or shit stained view of previous decades and generations is pretty inaccurate and blaming each other is a sure way to ensuring not a lot happens to improve things.

The country is not broken, it is like so many people doing its best to get by as it has done every decade that I can remember. 

Agreed. This is the norm now though. Many political movements across the globe (typically but not exclusively on the right), thrive by playing on people’s fears and creating divisions in society. Victimising and blaming other group(s) of people for what’s wrong and why their own lives aren’t better. It’s easy to do and difficult to counter. Last night on here was a case in point.

It’s so frustrating and unnecessary what’s kicking off. Fundamentally I blame both Labour and the Tories, not Reform voters. For the last 20 years between them they have not listened to the concerns of the majority of normal folk. They have not created and delivered a vision for what a functioning, fair society should look like, both to care for those with genuine needs so they’re not viewed as “scroungers”, but also to encourage/force people to get off their backsides and work hard, and aspire to better themselves and their families. It shouldn’t be that hard. Most people want the same thing. Good schools, good healthcare, safe streets, decent housing, food on the table, a holiday once a year, a wanderers season ticket……but yes, controls on immigration and rich folk/companies to pay proper taxes.

Without this though the populist parties led by self-serving grifters and backed by wealthy individuals see an opportunity to become even richer and more powerful. They stoke fears and frustration, and getting disillusioned folk to vote for them without knowing that doing so will actually make their own lives worse.

Solutions? Need a strong, independent media to highlight the lies and corruption behind populism…..and also the main parties to find real leaders and serve the needs of the majority of people in the country.

[Zico]

32 minutes ago, Sweep said:

A good point, plenty of people continue to moan.

There is always the option to up sticks and move somewhere nicer. If it's so bad here, why do people stay?

because, trust me, it's not easy, or cheap

[Traf]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

because, trust me, it's not easy, or cheap

True.
I'd emigrate to Oz, but I'm too old for them to want me.

[Zico]

Just now, Traf said:

True.
I'd emigrate to Oz, but I'm too old for them to want me.

can you not get in on one of them grand parent visas?

met a couple from st helens, both their daughters & grand kids moved out here, so they've been able to get here off the back of that

[Sweep]

Just now, Zico said:

because, trust me, it's not easy, or cheap

I don't just mean moving country, that's become more tricky since we left the EU (if you want to move there of course), it's when I hear people who live in Bolton* bemoan Bolton, move then, try somewhere else. I did many years ago, I left Bolton with less than £100 to my name, unable to drive and nowhere to live. Thinking about it, it was a ridiculous thing to do 😉......turned out OK though, thankfully.

*Applicable to any town, if you don't like it, then just move elsewhere.

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, Traf said:

True.
I'd emigrate to Oz, but I'm too old for them to want me.

I’ve looked at retiring there once that time comes around

[Spider]

31 minutes ago, Zulu said:

You must be really proud, having voted for it.

I’m not.

it was a shit idea.

But there are people who still think it was a good one.

i assume you’ve never made a single mistake in your entire life like Bolty then? 🙃

[kent_white]

10 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I would say that it is very astute and indicative of how many develop with the enlightenment of age.

Either that or how many people can't string a coherent sentence together 😁

[Not in Crawley]

I think we should call a politics truce today. Today the only thing that matters is that we're all lucky enough to be Wanderers.

[Mounts Kipper]

25 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’m not.

it was a shit idea.

But there are people who still think it was a good one.

i assume you’ve never made a single mistake in your entire life like Bolty then? 🙃

EU is a bent constitution but it looks like you’re better pissing from the inside than outside pissing in… that’s how they keep EU together…. They’ll do everything to make it worse out than in, either way it’s a shitshow. 

[burnden]

Gordon brown brought in as special envoy on global finance 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

22 hours ago, Sweep said:

Anybody who think they aren't is a bit daft. Just look at their policies

Missing the point entirely there.

Of course much of their stuff is.

However, immigration isn't, and transcends political parties. It is the biggest issue gripping our nation.

Hence why so many labour voters are going that way.

It's not  difficult to understand this. Yet so many seem to.

As an aside, Farage has stipulated he wants to re-nationalise certain industries, so maybe he isn't actually as right wing as you suggest.

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, burnden said:

Gordon brown brought in as special envoy on global finance 

Keep him away from the vaults for fucks sake