bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If you think Mays bad, Corbyn would be nothing short of a disaster for the UK, however that won’t happen. He wouldn't be any worse. May doesn't even command her cabinet, even her so called friends and allies are no longer toeing her line. Corbyn can't make his mind up. Its just depressing. However, I do think there will be a huge political re-alignment. If May gets her deal through the Tories will likely split as will Labour. If she doesn't then it will all depend on what happens next but I cannot see this status quo being maintained. The fault lines are too obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 9 hours ago, Youri McAnespie said: I'll bring myself, my two siblings, the cat and a friend. I'll have the cat's Breaker. I hope your friend is Crusty Pippin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: If the Lib Dems manage this right they could pick up lots of disaffected voters who, quite rightly, are appalled at what has happened over the last 3 years in British Politics. Nothing but lies, lies and more lies from both the Tories and Labour, both shameful and embarrassing. They’re no different. Look at that twat Clegg kissing that twat Cameron’s arse for a prime example of shithousery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, mickbrown said: They’re no different. Look at that twat Clegg kissing that twat Cameron’s arse for a prime example of shithousery If Clegg had refused to form the coalition he'd have been doomed as well. He had no choice when it came to it. What was he meant to do? Refuse any power (in the only way the Lib Dems would seize any power) and let the country as a whole suffer from a political mess (rather like the one we have now). Or try and form a government and make things better? He was in a lose/lose position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, bwfcfan5 said: If Clegg had refused to form the coalition he'd have been doomed as well. He had no choice when it came to it. What was he meant to do? Refuse any power (in the only way the Lib Dems would seize any power) and let the country as a whole suffer from a political mess (rather like the one we have now). Or try and form a government and make things better? He was in a lose/lose position. The bloke is an arse. Him fucking off to Facebook has underlined that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, Sweep said: I hope your friend is Crusty Pippin What a spiffing idea, old chum. I'll substitute the human friend (Robby Scabies) and bring along C.P. in the top pocket instead, then I get three Breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, mickbrown said: They’re no different. Look at that twat Clegg kissing that twat Cameron’s arse for a prime example of shithousery I was more thinking about the current situation in british politics rather than looking back. Corbyn and May (and whoever is next) will lead parties that have lost the people's faith in the way that they have conducted the Brexit negotiations. If Vince and his mob can differentiate themselves on policy sufficiently then i believe they can build something sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, mickbrown said: The bloke is an arse. Him fucking off to Facebook has underlined that. See - I don't think he is. I think he's a clever bloke who tried to take a party forwards and managed it for the most part. He got shafted by the inevitability of politics - but he's streets ahead of May or Corbyn. And no multinational would ever employ either of them willingly. I think that does say a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, Salford Trotter said: I was more thinking about the current situation in british politics rather than looking back. Corbyn and May (and whoever is next) will lead parties that have lost the people's faith in the way that they have conducted the Brexit negotiations. If Vince and his mob can differentiate themselves on policy sufficiently then i believe they can build something sustainable. The problem is, most of the electorate haven't a clue about policy. Not a single clue. When studies and polls are undertaken you find out that many Conservative voters actually have socialist views - they just don't realise, that their views in no way align to the party they vote for. Its all personality - which is Cable's problem - he doesn't have one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: I was more thinking about the current situation in british politics rather than looking back. Corbyn and May (and whoever is next) will lead parties that have lost the people's faith in the way that they have conducted the Brexit negotiations. If Vince and his mob can differentiate themselves on policy sufficiently then i believe they can build something sustainable. What all 5 of them. Not a fucking chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: See - I don't think he is. I think he's a clever bloke who tried to take a party forwards and managed it for the most part. He got shafted by the inevitability of politics - but he's streets ahead of May or Corbyn. And no multinational would ever employ either of them willingly. I think that does say a lot! You wanna talk about lying to the electorate? Step forward Nick fucking Clegg. Also, let’s not forget he criticised Facebook in the past for not paying taxes and then waltzes off to work for them. He’s just another in a long line of hypocritical, lying, unprincipled shithouses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, mickbrown said: You wanna talk about lying to the electorate? Step forward Nick fucking Clegg. Also, let’s not forget he criticised Facebook in the past for not paying taxes and then waltzes off to work for them. He’s just another in a long line of hypocritical, lying, unprincipled shithouses That is absolute bollocks. He was in a coalition and not in a position to have all his policies accepted. They tempered the worst of the Tories until the 2015 election and it's been downhill ever since. A centrist party based on LD principles would be very well supported at the next election IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: What all 5 of them. Not a fucking chance. It'll need an election or two to get there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Farrelli said: That is absolute bollocks. He was in a coalition and not in a position to have all his policies accepted. They tempered the worst of the Tories until the 2015 election and it's been downhill ever since. A centrist party based on LD principles would be very well supported at the next election IMO. His share of the vote was down to a massive fucking lie. It’s no coincidence the electorate decimated the fuckers the next time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, mickbrown said: His share of the vote was down to a massive fucking lie. It’s no coincidence the electorate decimated the fuckers the next time round. A lie? That's like the children who think everything Corbyn does is amazing. It wasn't a lie. It was a policy he couldn't implement as a minority in a coalition. He could have demanded the policy but then the coalition wouldn't have formed, there'd have been chaos and another election. And Cameron and the whole media would have blamed the Lib Dems. Just like now, some sections of the media blame "parliament" rather than the shambolic Tory government who've been in power 8 years. Never the Tories fault.... Clegg is no perfect saint - but he was a realistic centrist politician who tried to make things better rather than just sitting on the sidelines pissing in. We have to stop blaming those who actually try rather than those who are happy to moan, without ever actually doing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 He sold his principles so he could be Cameron’s fluffer. That’s the harsh reality of the situation. He’s a shithouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, bolty58 said: I would say that's been debunked overnight. The EU is suddenly offering olive branches to protect their own interests and, as is highly likely, because the No Deal preparations are finally under way. This should have been our number one strategy from Day One but utter fools fucked that up by neutralising our main negotiating card. "In the event of No Deal, your trucks can come into the EU unhindered until the end of 2019 as long as ours can come into the UK unhindered". Trade imbalance see. Significantly weighted their way. Money talks. The day after we announce our plans for a no deal and surprise, surprise The EU announce contingency plans meaning planes wont fall out if the sky, freight will continue to move as normal meaning we wont need tins of beans, insulin and other meds will be available, financial services will continue as normal. Project fear is coming to an end and the Muppets predicting cliff edge, chaos and anarchy can now pipe down. Edited December 20, 2018 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, mickbrown said: He sold his principles so he could be Cameron’s fluffer. That’s the harsh reality of the situation. He’s a shithouse And what I'm saying is - what choice did he have? He got some concessions out of Cameron - yet nobody accuses Cameron of abandoning his principles. Had Clegg refused the Lib Dems would have been massacred anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, mickbrown said: His share of the vote was down to a massive fucking lie. It’s no coincidence the electorate decimated the fuckers the next time round. He could not get all his policies through as a minority in a coalition government. Are you telling me that Clegg is worse than Cameron or Blair ? They are on a different planet for deceiving the public. One thing is certain, we have been worse off since the LD's were cast aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted December 20, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The day after we announce our plans for a no deal and surprise, surprise The EU announce contingency plans meaning planes wont fall out if the sky, freight will continue to move as normal meaning we wont need tins of beans, insulin and other meds will be available, financial services will continue as normal. Project fear is coming to an end and the Muppets predicting cliff edge, chaos and anarchy can now pipe down. No they haven't. That is the UK government's interpretation which many in the EU disagree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, mickbrown said: He sold his principles so he could be Cameron’s fluffer. That’s the harsh reality of the situation. He’s a shithouse What could he have done ? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. He had to work with Cameron and Osborne for the good of the country. The reality is that the LD's were the scapegoats for the Tories during the height of the austerity measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 20, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, Farrelli said: What could he have done ? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. He had to work with Cameron and Osborne for the good of the country. The reality is that the LD's were the scapegoats for the Tories during the height of the austerity measures. I agree he was between a rock and a hard place, and his move in the interest of the country may have cost him a career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, Winchester White said: No they haven't. That is the UK government's interpretation which many in the EU disagree with. Maybe they should read this then. https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/com-2018-890-final.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted December 20, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Maybe they should read this then. https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/com-2018-890-final.pdf https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2236207456703987&id=1498276767163730 Explained better than I could by Peston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 20, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2018 Peston can do one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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