Politics

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

This is the equivalent of "I've got a black friend, so I'm obviously not a racist". 

Spending a couple of months in Malaga every year and playing football with a Spaniard doesn't mean you're "integrated" into the Spanish culture.

He did not say he was. He said the people he meets are. 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

He did not say he was. He said the people he meets are. 

Apologies. Must be true then.

[Cheese]

14 hours ago, royal white said:

I’ve never once said it’s been so shit, and like I’ve said numerous times before if I thought it was going to be as bad as you and the rest of project fear have made it out to be I would have been gone and not spent my time whining about it online like a bitch.

You say it’s ridiculous yet families are leaving countries for the same problems that you are predicting over here and you praise them for making that change, wanting a better life for their families. Maybe you should grow a pair and take a leaf out of their book. 

As for Trump, stop lying! I was saying this months ago if you fancy scrolling back and looking. Maybe Trump has been on here and copied me 😉

Whenever you started saying it, the volume/frequency has definitely gone up since Trump used that rhetoric. At the end of the day, you're suggesting that people who disagree with the political direction of their country should fuck off somewhere else, rather than stand up for what they believe is best for their own. But you can't answer why you haven't done that. I'm not suggesting you should in the slightest, but that's what you're telling me to do, so you should hold yourself to the same standard.

We'll never agree. Best to just leave it there I think.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Cheese

[royal white]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

Whenever you started saying it, the volume/frequency has definitely gone up since Trump used that rhetoric. At the end of the day, you're suggesting that people who disagree with the political direction of their country should fuck off somewhere else, rather than stand up for what they believe is best for their own. But you can't answer why you haven't done that. I'm not suggesting you should in the slightest, but that's what you're telling me to do, so you should hold yourself to the same standard.

We'll never agree. Best to just leave it there I think.

I’ve answered many times but for some reason it’s not sinking in.

- I’ve always been fairly happy

- I can’t see my job being in danger

- I can’t see my house price crashing

- I can’t see me needing to stock pile food and live off rations

- the most important one - I can’t see my kids suffering because of lack of medical supplies.

- I’ve no reason to want to move (maybe the weather at a push) 

Why would anyone want to live in a place where this is going to happen? Immigrants come here because this is what happening in their country! 

You say you’re standing up for what you believe in, what exactly is it your doing? Genuine question. I can see that you whine about it but what are  you doing to stop it? 

As for the volume/frequency going up, no it’s not, as I said I mentioned it months ago. You just wanted to get another lie in saying I was following trumps Lead which you knew I wasn’t.

[Guest]

An interesting read from Dominic Cummings

 

https://dominiccummings.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/

[Farrelli]

Skim reading that and it sounds like he was playing a big game of chance during the referendum campaign. 

That referendum opened a pandora's box stirred up by the likes of Cummings.

There are a lot of Tories who are disgusted that he is now a chief policy advisor to the PM, dangerous times.

[Casino]

He shouldn't be anywhere near government

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

He shouldn't be anywhere near government

He'll be adding brain power; never a bad thing?

[paulhanley]

 

Happy Sunday to the gloomsters, doomsters, nay-sayers, pessimists, Brito-sceptics and remoaners on here. There were several pieces from recent editions of the Telegraph I could have posted that speak far more articulately than I ever could. I've plumped for today's editorial comment. Please do try not to choke on you Sunday lunch while reading this. I'm sure you feel its one of the last you'll ever have given you'll have convinced yourself of the inevitable roast potato and stuffing shortages that lie ahead once we are no longer within the undemocratic superstate you so love. 

Enjoy the read. November 1 will be here soon. Its morning again in Britain and a fresh dawn breeze is blowing the cobwebs away from the corridors of power. A bright future awaits for our United Kingdom with British people fully in charge of their own destiny for the first time since the mid-1970s. 

The possibilities of Brexit inspire again

Finally Britain has a Prime-Minister who is willing and able to make the case for Brexit. What a complete waste of time the last three years have been. Theresa May didn't just ruin the negotiations and come back with an illegitimate Withdrawal Agreement: by refusing to argue for Brexit, because she didn't believe in it, she also drove the country further apart. The generous, optimistic, rational reasons why Britain voted to Leave were forgotten. All we heard was about risk. The Remainers saw a way to snatch victory from the jaw of defeat. 

But now the UK has a leader who believes in this country and believes in this project. Britain also has a Chancellor who is instructing the Treasury to prepare for no-deal and planning a full-scale cultural revolution at what until now has been Remainer HQ within Government. It seems that the Government can do Brexit if it really wants. The Remain argument that it's impossible as well as undesirable crumbles to dust.

Yesterday in Manchester, on a tour where he unveiled plans for more regional infrastructure, Boris Johnson took a question on a no-deal outcome: could he name one economic advantage for the North? Imagine Mrs May answering that question. She would say no-deal would be a disaster and that's why people should do everything to avoid it. So it was first a surprise, then a joy, to hear Mr Johnson make the economic case for independence, for decentralising power back to nation states away from unresponsive gigantic bureaucracies that cannot possibly succeed in their one size fits all mission.

An independent Britain, said Mr Johnson, would be able to set up free ports, probably in the North, with little or not tax and attract new investment. It would also be in charge of regulations, which means it could write the rules that suit us best to encourage growth. 

This was the original economic argument for freedom from the EU: that the closer a Government is to its the people, the more efficient, dynamic and accountable it will be. It will be quicker to react, more responsive, more flexible and less prone to error. It's the argument for genuine devolution in the UK or for the American idea of individual states being 'laboratories of democracy', free to experiment and take risks.

By contrast isn't it blindingly obvious that the larger an organisation, the more inefficient and prone to stagnation? Some Remainers believe the EU is necessary for the very survival of Europe - but its growth record is pathetic and its handling of the Eurozone and refugee crises abysmal. Nowhere else in the world does a trade zone assume that it has to work towards political integration. Australia has no desire to share a parliament with China, any more than Canada wants to be governed from Washington DC. 

The EU is an imperialistic construct, not a free-trading one. If it truly believed in capitalism, it would say to the UK: "If you want to leave but carry on going business without any tarriffs or regulatory barriers then we're happy to do so too". Instead it insists on the backstop to keep us trapped in a customs union. Failing that it will 'punish' Britain - and, of course, its own consumers and companies. There is nothing 'liberal' or compassionate about this. The EU is a self-serving superstate - illiberal to its very core - and it's about time someone pointed out that the emperor has no clothes.

Mr Johnson's approach is a breath of fresh air backed up by intellectual heft and practical effort. With everything thrown at it, Brexit can indeed be a roaring success, the freer, richer, future that so many people voted for.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

 

Happy Sunday to the gloomsters, doomsters, nay-sayers, pessimists, Brito-sceptics and remoaners on here. There were several pieces from recent editions of the Telegraph I could have posted that speak far more articulately than I ever could. I've plumped for today's editorial comment. Please do try not to choke on you Sunday lunch while reading this. I'm sure you feel its one of the last you'll ever have given you'll have convinced yourself of the inevitable roast potato and stuffing shortages that lie ahead once we are no longer within the undemocratic superstate you so love. 

Enjoy the read. November 1 will be here soon. Its morning again in Britain and a fresh dawn breeze is blowing the cobwebs away from the corridors of power. A bright future awaits for our United Kingdom with British people fully in charge of their own destiny for the first time since the mid-1970s. 

The possibilities of Brexit inspire again

Finally Britain has a Prime-Minister who is willing and able to make the case for Brexit. What a complete waste of time the last three years have been. Theresa May didn't just ruin the negotiations and come back with an illegitimate Withdrawal Agreement: by refusing to argue for Brexit, because she didn't believe in it, she also drove the country further apart. The generous, optimistic, rational reasons why Britain voted to Leave were forgotten. All we heard was about risk. The Remainers saw a way to snatch victory from the jaw of defeat. 

But now the UK has a leader who believes in this country and believes in this project. Britain also has a Chancellor who is instructing the Treasury to prepare for no-deal and planning a full-scale cultural revolution at what until now has been Remainer HQ within Government. It seems that the Government can do Brexit if it really wants. The Remain argument that it's impossible as well as undesirable crumbles to dust.

Yesterday in Manchester, on a tour where he unveiled plans for more regional infrastructure, Boris Johnson took a question on a no-deal outcome: could he name one economic advantage for the North? Imagine Mrs May answering that question. She would say no-deal would be a disaster and that's why people should do everything to avoid it. So it was first a surprise, then a joy, to hear Mr Johnson make the economic case for independence, for decentralising power back to nation states away from unresponsive gigantic bureaucracies that cannot possibly succeed in their one size fits all mission.

An independent Britain, said Mr Johnson, would be able to set up free ports, probably in the North, with little or not tax and attract new investment. It would also be in charge of regulations, which means it could write the rules that suit us best to encourage growth. 

This was the original economic argument for freedom from the EU: that the closer a Government is to its the people, the more efficient, dynamic and accountable it will be. It will be quicker to react, more responsive, more flexible and less prone to error. It's the argument for genuine devolution in the UK or for the American idea of individual states being 'laboratories of democracy', free to experiment and take risks.

By contrast isn't it blindingly obvious that the larger an organisation, the more inefficient and prone to stagnation? Some Remainers believe the EU is necessary for the very survival of Europe - but its growth record is pathetic and its handling of the Eurozone and refugee crises abysmal. Nowhere else in the world does a trade zone assume that it has to work towards political integration. Australia has no desire to share a parliament with China, any more than Canada wants to be governed from Washington DC. 

The EU is an imperialistic construct, not a free-trading one. If it truly believed in capitalism, it would say to the UK: "If you want to leave but carry on going business without any tarriffs or regulatory barriers then we're happy to do so too". Instead it insists on the backstop to keep us trapped in a customs union. Failing that it will 'punish' Britain - and, of course, its own consumers and companies. There is nothing 'liberal' or compassionate about this. The EU is a self-serving superstate - illiberal to its very core - and it's about time someone pointed out that the emperor has no clothes.

Mr Johnson's approach is a breath of fresh air backed up by intellectual heft and practical effort. With everything thrown at it, Brexit can indeed be a roaring success, the freer, richer, future that so many people voted for.

The Telegraph? Pah

[paulhanley]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The Telegraph? Pah

😉

[Guest]

Just looking at the calendar, 31 October is a Thursday. That could be a great Friday night out.

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Just looking at the calendar, 31 October is a Thursday. That could be a great Friday night out.

BD - Does Johnson resign if he hasn't delivered brexit in whatever form on 1st November? 

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

BD - Does Johnson resign if he hasn't delivered brexit in whatever form on 1st November? 

He'll blame the EU for us still being in on November 1st, and then promise to get it done for March 31st

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

BD - Does Johnson resign if he hasn't delivered brexit in whatever form on 1st November? 

Depends if he has to go for a GE at that time to force Brexit.

Any other reason I can think of; yes, resign.

 

That said, I'm more optomistic about the possibility of Brexit actually happening than for 6 months or so. It might just............

[Sweep]

16 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

 

That said, I'm more optomistic about the possibility of Brexit actually happening than for 6 months or so. It might just............

I don't doubt it'll happen, not sure it'll be at the end of October though, I think it'll take a bit longer than that, as both sides will be trying to avoid the no deal scenario. Boris can bluff and bluster all he wants, no way would he take us out with no deal.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I don't doubt it'll happen, not sure it'll be at the end of October though, I think it'll take a bit longer than that, as both sides will be trying to avoid the no deal scenario. Boris can bluff and bluster all he wants, no way would he take us out with no deal.

I think that the fear of the Brexit party will force him to do so

[Cheese]

20 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I think that the fear of the Brexit party will force him to do so

Party/Career over Country. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Party/Career over Country. 

Matter of opinion 

[Cheese]

25 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Matter of opinion 

Nope. If you need to form a "war cabinet" to contend with the issues of a No Deal Brexit, persuing a No Deal Brexit to retain your power is clearly not in the interests of the country. We are not at war. 

Edited July 28, 2019 by Cheese

[Sweep]

55 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I think that the fear of the Brexit party will force him to do so

The Brexit party isn't a problem unless a GE is called though... And that would require a view of no confidence..... Would the turkeys vote for Christmas?

Hopefully they will...

[Mounts Kipper]

Brilliant from Lawson. Fairbarns face at the end is a picture.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Brilliant from Lawson. Fairbarns face at the end is a picture.

 

 

And most of the world don't trade on WTO rules

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nope. If you need to form a "war cabinet" to contend with the issues of a No Deal Brexit, persuing a No Deal Brexit to retain your power is clearly not in the interests of the country. We are not at war. 

Thanks for your opinion; always welcomed

[Casino]

At least he has an opinion and doesn't just blindly follow ERG mumbo jumbo