Site Supporter MickyD Posted October 14, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Bob round to mine and I’ll grant your wish tonight son Er, he said topped, not bottomed! 🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, royal white said: I’m assuming you’re just guessing at a cost or maybe you’re comparing with America? I think Mr Brown is looking at the US mate. Our costs over here were pretty negligible in comparison to the ambulance chasing champs before Pierrepoint was made redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, MickyD said: Er, he said topped, not bottomed! 🤣🤣🤣 Hey, stick to your raised voices with those choirboy mates of yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, royal white said: I’m assuming you’re just guessing at a cost or maybe you’re comparing with America? That’s the case in America. I’m assuming it would be the same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: That’s the case in America. I’m assuming it would be the same here. Stop it Michael. I asked for your facts hours ago on what it would cost here......you’ve not got the accts have you ? You little lying tinker Fuel is dirt cheap in the States, but fucking expensive here.....please don’t try to compare the rates for public executions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, miamiwhite said: Stop it Michael. I asked for your facts hours ago on what it would cost here......you’ve not got the accts have you ? You little lying tinker Fuel is dirt cheap in the States, but fucking expensive here.....please don’t try to compare the rates for public executions So you want me to provide facts and figures for something that isn’t happening? Behave😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, mickbrown said: So you want me to provide facts and figures for something that isn’t happening? Behave😁 Yes You said cherry on the bun with icing and shit with sugar on.....please display your wares Mr Brown, you filthy little slapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 14, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, mickbrown said: So you want me to provide facts and figures for something that isn’t happening? Behave😁 It might help if you're saying it's more expensive than prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It might help if you're saying it's more expensive than prison. It is. In America. We don’t have capital punishment here, so I would have thought using the experience of the yanks would make way more fucking sense than coming up with figures for something that doesn’t exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: It is. In America. We don’t have capital punishment here, so I would have thought using the experience of the yanks would make way more fucking sense than coming up with figures for something that doesn’t exist. Hang on.....I thought you were called Mick not James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Have to say that mick has a point Even if we introduced the death penalty tomorrow I don’t think that’s it’s a massive leap to think that the only people that would benefit would be the legal bods Imagine the fees that they could/would cream off the taxpayer in appeals on legal aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 11 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Have to say that mick has a point Even if we introduced the death penalty tomorrow I don’t think that’s it’s a massive leap to think that the only people that would benefit would be the legal bods Imagine the fees that they could/would cream off the taxpayer in appeals on legal aid No doubt. Wouldn't want the death penalty. If it did come back though, you'd hope that the extreme cases, as those of Lee Rigby's killer, that it would be done quickly. It's a cut and dried case, 100% guilty. There'd be no need for procrastination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: No doubt. Wouldn't want the death penalty. If it did come back though, you'd hope that the extreme cases, as those of Lee Rigby's killer, that it would be done quickly. It's a cut and dried case, 100% guilty. There'd be no need for procrastination. Aren't all cases cut and dried until they aren't? And there would be appeals on all sorts of grounds. Sentencing, mental health, family hardship etc... The problem with the death penalty is simple. There is zero evidence it acts as a deterrent. It costs a lot of money (more so than locking people away for life) and it means that any miscarriages of justice become irreversible. There is absolutely no benefit to it at all. Even victim's families in many cases have said it hasn't helped them feel any better...in some cases makes them feel worse. Imagine years and years afterwards the thing still being in the news, appeals, date of execution etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Lee Rigby's killer should have been shot on site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Aren't all cases cut and dried until they aren't? And there would be appeals on all sorts of grounds. Sentencing, mental health, family hardship etc... The problem with the death penalty is simple. There is zero evidence it acts as a deterrent. It costs a lot of money (more so than locking people away for life) and it means that any miscarriages of justice become irreversible. There is absolutely no benefit to it at all. Even victim's families in many cases have said it hasn't helped them feel any better...in some cases makes them feel worse. Imagine years and years afterwards the thing still being in the news, appeals, date of execution etc.... Or imagine years after the person who killed your parent/son/daughter/sister/brother shopping in the same Tesco as you. And another one going on about cost...how much does it cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Traf said: Lee Rigby's killer should have been shot on site. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, royal white said: This Can't remember now, but wasn't he shot at the time, just not fatally? That in itself throws up a conundrum. Perhaps they should engage a head shot or two more frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Can't remember now, but wasn't he shot at the time, just not fatally? That in itself throws up a conundrum. Perhaps they should engage a head shot or two more frequently. I think one of them was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, royal white said: Or imagine years after the person who killed your parent/son/daughter/sister/brother shopping in the same Tesco as you. And another one going on about cost...how much does it cost? Why would they be - nobody is advocating from letting out after a few years are they? And how would having them killed make me feel any better about the loss of a loved one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Death penalty falls down on the basic 'to show you killing people is wrong, we are going to kill you' Just can't wrap my head round it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Why would they be - nobody is advocating from letting out after a few years are they? And how would having them killed make me feel any better about the loss of a loved one? You could console yourself with the cost saving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Why would they be - nobody is advocating from letting out after a few years are they? And how would having them killed make me feel any better about the loss of a loved one? Because not all murderers serve a full life term, though I’m sure you know that. I personally would want someone killed if they had killed a love one, it would make me feel better knowing that they wouldn’t have the opportunity to murder again. again, how much will it cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: You could console yourself with the cost saving. There is nothing you could console yourself with, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Latham8WFC Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 US death penalty costs: Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. Websites below show a some state breakdowns: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs/summary-of-states-death-penalty https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Latham8WFC said: US death penalty costs: Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. Websites below show a some state breakdowns: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs/summary-of-states-death-penalty https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/ How much in India or Saudi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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