Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

13 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Is death per cases a useful metric in terms of determining who is doing a good job?

I still think the number, or proportionate number, of hospitalisations is probably the best one to look at.

You can see from the articles and further evidence today that we clearly lost some crucial time on this & acted complacently. The more we hear the harder it becomes to rationally argue otherwise- but folk are still trying. 

Important to recognise that by 'we' I don't just mean Bojo and his cabinet. But (IMO) Boris's inital lack of engagement wasn't acceptable - especially at a time when we were getting severe warnings from Chinese scientists about the rate of spread. He will have plenty time to redeem himself though.

Read an artcile by a medical scientist last night saying that highlighting what went wrong was about learning from it- not laying the blame. For me blaming is pointless- they've made mistakes but they've acted decisively at times as well. They will be judged at the next election and in a public enquiry. It's about working together now and doing the right things when the next wave comes. This is a marathon and balancing the spread with a functioning economy will probably turn out to be the biggest challenge. 

If anything- I hope the biggest thing we learn is to never even come close to underfunding the NHS like we have in the past 10 years.

 

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I still think the number, or proportionate number, of hospitalisations is probably the best one to look at.

that only works in countries that have comparable health services though, so may be ok for comparing in some wetsern countires - the metrics that people will measure ultimately are deaths and econmic downturn  

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I still think the number, or proportionate number, of hospitalisations is probably the best one to look at.

Lots of dead folk havent been anywhere near hospitals

Unless the govts aim was merely to stop the nhs breaking, i cant agree with that measure

And as BD bravely mentions, at what cost to the economy

 

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

that only works in countries that have comparable health services though, so may be ok for comparing in some wetsern countires - the metrics that people will measure ultimately are deaths and econmic downturn  

Death figure...

End of the year, we look how many have died

We compare it with recent years

Thats going to be my measure

Far from scientific but while testing is so woefully shit, its as good as owt

32 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Missus' best mate's fella died at home last night. In his early 50s and had no underlying health conditions. Grim.

Absolutely terrible. Do you know why he wasn’t in hospital ? I can’t get my head around how someone under 60 with no health issues had to die at home. The hospitals have capacity at this time. Are people thinking they can ride it out ? Saw one report earlier of a 25 year old who was in hospital and was released as he had been given the all clear, only to fall ill again a week later, admitted again to hospital and died of heart failure. 

It shouldn't, cos that wasn't my intention

Others will use other measures and that's fair enough

6 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

@radcliffewhite1 has got an early horn on.

Unbelievable Jeff 

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Edited April 19, 20206 yr by Lt. Aldo Raine

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

Death figure...

End of the year, we look how many have died

We compare it with recent years

Thats going to be my measure

Far from scientific but while testing is so woefully shit, its as good as owt

You can’t do that though if you look at it to find how bad Covid was. You have to factor in how much lower/higher deaths at work or road accidents, or suicides etc where because all those normal causes will be completely different to usual.

24 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

suppose it depends on your point of view of what a good job is. 

Main point I was trying to make is looking at UK vs Sweden isn't a good way of comparing the effectiveness of  a range of  govmt responses because they are too similar.

UK was late to lockdown and doesn't have a stringent one,  and Sweden had a more stringent response  than UK  less than 4 weeks ago, which would have been reflected in recent figures, so its no wonder they're on a similar path, so far.

we either need to wait, or if we want to do it now, then compare Sweden against a country with early, stringent lockdown, there's plenty to pick from.  Greece, New Zealand, etc.

I suppose it would be reflective of:

- level of testing

- ability to suppress the spread

- ability to protect/save those who catch it

Paddy McGuinnes wife is something else. Can I request a picture of her at some point.

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Paddy McGuinnes wife is something else. Can I request a picture of her at some point.

But then she opens her mouth

Remember that

21 minutes ago, Casino said:

Death figure...

End of the year, we look how many have died

We compare it with recent years

Thats going to be my measure

Far from scientific but while testing is so woefully shit, its as good as owt

That would be a good metric to use to tell us who's done a good job, but it wouldn't tell us who's currently doing a good job.

There might not be one that's accurate enough yet, to be fair.

2 hours ago, Ani said:

Boris missed 5 cobr meetings. That sounds bad. However depends how many out of. So if he missed 5 out of 6 sounds slack 5 out of 20 less so. And when the 5 were and what he was doing instead. 
 

I keep saying that hindsight is 20/20. 

 

He missed five out of the first five on coronavirus. So 100% of them up to the 2nd March.

For balance, Gove says that there's no need for the PM to attend all of these meetings, but then why start going in March?

Incidentally, by the 2nd of March he'd already been going into hospitals shaking hands with everybody, so he's fortunate his negligence didn't cost him his own life.

Edited April 19, 20206 yr by Tombwfc

18 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

Absolutely terrible. Do you know why he wasn’t in hospital ? I can’t get my head around how someone under 60 with no health issues had to die at home. The hospitals have capacity at this time. Are people thinking they can ride it out ? Saw one report earlier of a 25 year old who was in hospital and was released as he had been given the all clear, only to fall ill again a week later, admitted again to hospital and died of heart failure. 

He'd been feeling really poorly last few days, but yesterday felt absolutely fine. Died last night. Awful.

4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

I suppose it would be reflective of:

- level of testing

- ability to suppress the spread

- ability to protect/save those who catch it

Ultimately yeah, but some govmts have had some initial luck too, and some had a recent dry run with SARS . New Zealand are being touted as an ideal response so far, but they had extra time to see what was happening. We ignored China, and by the time Lombardy was happening the horse had already bolted.

Although I think we've fucked it up, if we'd had a few more weeks to see it panning out in the west, I think we would have been more likely to  lock down earlier, and therefore our ability to carry out your 3 points probably would have been better.

15 minutes ago, Casino said:

But then she opens her mouth

Remember that

You would blow your load just talking to her 

20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That would be a good metric to use to tell us who's done a good job, but it wouldn't tell us who's currently doing a good job.

There might not be one that's accurate enough yet, to be fair.

I think so

Back to an earlier football analogy.

We are, perhaps, 1-0 down after 15 minutes, trying to adjust to the playing conditions, but we are playing against a team of invisible men!

With our supporters on the touch line supporting the other side!

Edited April 19, 20206 yr by boltondiver

Accrington.  
 

This is why police interactions are recorded and why the police have to obey the law. 
 

 

49 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Today's Coronavirus figures are most inconveniently placed.

21 minutes ago, DazBob said:

He'd been feeling really poorly last few days, but yesterday felt absolutely fine. Died last night. Awful.

Sad news this. 
 

strangely the night my dad died he said in one of his last texts to me that he felt better that evening than he had done in weeks and felt like he would be alright. 
 

hope your missus mate gets all the support she needs. 

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

If anything- I hope the biggest thing we learn is to never even come close to underfunding the NHS like we have in the past 10 years.

Be careful. You'll be told the NHS just needs to make 'efficiency savings'

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Be careful. You'll be told the NHS just needs to make 'efficiency savings'

Isn’t our spending a lot higher than some others who have been “successful “ so far, such as South Korea?

The tired, socialist, way, of just saying we don’t spend enough. Sigh.

Edited April 19, 20206 yr by boltondiver