Meanwhile in Israel

[Cheese]

Foreign Policy is now being decided by the Opposition, because the Government can't stop playing stupid games. Give us a General Election ffs.

[Casino]

Sadly, the media are running with the story that the issue is labour influencing hoyle

[Cheese]

Just now, Casino said:

Sadly, the media are running with the story that the issue is labour influencing hoyle

Obviously. And many thick cunts will believe it.

[Not in Crawley]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

We just look like cunts to the world.

 

 

SNP are awful - today is a low point.

[Farrelli]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

Sadly, the media are running with the story that the issue is labour influencing hoyle

Incredible isn’t it? A government unwilling to do the right thing or just lying and deflecting on everything. 

[bolty58]

12 hours ago, Casino said:

Sadly, the media are running with the story that the issue is labour influencing hoyle

Which it clearly fucking is. He has to go.

[MickyD]

13 hours ago, Casino said:

Sadly, the media are running with the story that the issue is labour influencing hoyle

46 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Which it clearly fucking is. He has to go.

Yet when he allows an amendment by the Conservatives he isn’t accused of being influenced by them. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I like Hoyle and have defended him previously on here when people where pining for the return of the ridiculous Bercow, but it's not for nothing he's apologised and was sent a warning letter by his clerk

But it's interesting that one of his justifications for his decision was because he was concerned about the security threats to MPs

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, MickyD said:

Yet when he allows an amendment by the Conservatives he isn’t accused of being influenced by them. 

That is purely convention, irrelevant of who ever is in power. In that situation, the government amendment is selected. 

It isn't a "rule" though, and is still the speakers decision to make, and it was no surprise he chose both.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That is purely convention, irrelevant of who ever is in power. In that situation, the government amendment is selected. 

It isn't a "rule" though, and is still the speakers decision to make, and it was no surprise he chose both.

It was very much a surprise he did

[Tonge moor green jacket]

48 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I like Hoyle and have defended him previously on here when people where pining for the return of the ridiculous Bercow, but it's not for nothing he's apologised and was sent a warning letter by his clerk

But it's interesting that one of his justifications for his decision was because he was concerned about the security threats to MPs

May well be true, but it's a sad day for parliamentary democracy and procedure when a mob starts influencing decisions. 

That will only lead one way.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It was very much a surprise he did

To you perhaps.

Not to me.

[Winchester White]

I am not a huge fan of Hoyle and hes my MP, but he did what he thought was right. Loads of complaints of broken convention but heard last night similar has happened twice before in the past.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

To you perhaps.

Not to me.

There's a reason his clerk sent him a letter warning him of the potential consequences

It was far from a formality

[Jol_BWFC]

Shame the Tories weren’t so vocal when their own prime minister was found to have broken the law and when it was abundantly clear he had misled parliament.

[BobyBrno]

4 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Shame the Tories weren’t so vocal when their own prime minister was found to have broken the law and when it was abundantly clear he had misled parliament.

They were. They kicked him out. 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

They were. They kicked him out. 

He resigned in disgrace.

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

He resigned in disgrace.

Jumped before he was pushed. Semantics.

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Jumped before he was pushed. Semantics.

Probably the nearest he ever got to being 'dignified' in his life.

[Winchester White]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Jumped before he was pushed. Semantics.

He resigned later due to the Pincher debacle, not due to his law breaking and misleading Parliament.

There's been so many indiscretions it's easy to forget. 

[Jol_BWFC]

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

They were. They kicked him out. 

Come on, they weren't. I think it was  April 2022 when he (and Rishi as it happens) was found guilty and fined for breaking the law. The Tories backed him and said “let’s move on”. It was June when he resigned.

It was also clear for many, many months beforehand that he’d misled parliament. A handful had the courage to speak out but the rest chose to ignore it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There's a reason his clerk sent him a letter warning him of the potential consequences

It was far from a formality

Didn't say it was. Everyone else on earth could have been surprised by the decision. 

As I say, I wasn't. 

I thought about it, and on balance that's precisely what I thought he'd do.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Come on, they weren't. I think it was  April 2022 when he (and Rishi as it happens) was found guilty and fined for breaking the law. The Tories backed him and said “let’s move on”. It was June when he resigned.

It was also clear for many, many months beforehand that he’d misled parliament. A handful had the courage to speak out but the rest chose to ignore it.

I don't think there was any dispute that he'd misled it.

The question was one of accident or design.

Then the shenanigans over the wording of willfully or recklessly, which in the end sealed his fate. As an individual event, the Pincher case wouldn't have been a massive issue, but in the end it became the straw that broke the camels back.

All this is history though: we have a major developing issue now, which has the potential to become far more serious.

Police aren't dealing with it, and we have a tinderbox of sectarianism. 

[BobyBrno]

9 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Come on, they weren't. I think it was  April 2022 when he (and Rishi as it happens) was found guilty and fined for breaking the law. The Tories backed him and said “let’s move on”. It was June when he resigned.

It was also clear for many, many months beforehand that he’d misled parliament. A handful had the courage to speak out but the rest chose to ignore it.

‘A very Tory coup’ It’s the Daily Mail so probably crap. Or maybe not. 😉

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11040663/amp/ANDREW-PIERCE-Boris-Johnson-betrayed-toppled-Tory-coup-inside-accounts-reveal.html

Edited February 22, 2024 by BobyBrno

[Farrelli]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

They were. They kicked him out. 

Only when they had spent months and loads of tax payers money on defending the useless lump. There were still some Tories who wanted him back after the Truss fiasco. This government only apply the rules when it suits.