bwfcfan5 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Not sure ‘plonked’ is the right word. It didn’t happen overnight and it didn’t start in 1948. Another date in history. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/history/article/2023/08/06/90-years-ago-a-negotiated-transfer-led-over-50-000-german-jews-to-palestine_6082440_157.html I’ve said before, you go back to a date in time and it takes you back to another to understand the reason then another and another and you give up when it gets to Jesus. 🤷♂️ But I think the point is that people who claim (wrongly) that they are being displaced…seem very comfortable with forcible land grabs and turfing Palestinians out of their homes since the Victorian era….if you were someone who didn’t know better you might say it confirms a prejudice against a certain group of people…but of course we all know that’s not true… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 On 15/08/2024 at 22:34, wanderer1984 said: All our news reports ... All the twitter shite and everything else ... I've not seen one Palestinian beg for Hamas to give up and surrender. Weird init. Has to be one of the oddest things I’ve seen posted on this thread in a while. For starters, you’ve not even bothered to look. https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-is-hamas-waiting-for-palestinians-in-gaza-beg-terror-group-to-take-truce-deal/amp/ Many Palestinians are critical of Hamas. It’s difficult to organise a mass resistance when you’re struggling to stay alive every day & living under what’s essentially a dictatorship. Hamas were deeply unpopular across Gaza before latest escalation. Sadly, Israel’s brutal response risks only radicalising more Palestinians. You’ve seen plenty of hostage families & people across Israel criticising the scale of the escalation as well. I think some people realise it may not make them safer in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: But I think the point is that people who claim (wrongly) that they are being displaced…seem very comfortable with forcible land grabs and turfing Palestinians out of their homes since the Victorian era….if you were someone who didn’t know better you might say it confirms a prejudice against a certain group of people…but of course we all know that’s not true… It works both ways and it goes back further than the Victorian era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted August 18 Members Share Posted August 18 37 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: It works both ways and it goes back further than the Victorian era. Some of these only see things one way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 38 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: It works both ways and it goes back further than the Victorian era. What works both ways? I think if working class ‘Anglo Saxon’ natives were being moved out of their houses at gunpoint and shot if they resisted that there would be very few people saying ‘yeah this is good’. And those that did would be absolute arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: What works both ways? I think if working class ‘Anglo Saxon’ natives were being moved out of their houses at gunpoint and shot if they resisted that there would be very few people saying ‘yeah this is good’. And those that did would be absolute arseholes. Are you talking about the persecution and displacement of Jews throughout history. I am. It’s the reason why a State was established. The reason why there is a war and the reason we are talking about it. If you’re talking about land grabs in Israel, I agree, totally wrong but my comments were about the phrase plonked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 18 Moderators Share Posted August 18 5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Are you talking about the persecution and displacement of Jews throughout history. I am. It’s the reason why a State was established. The reason why there is a war and the reason we are talking about it. If you’re talking about land grabs in Israel, I agree, totally wrong but my comments were about the phrase plonked. That's the thing I struggle with Israel was supposed to be a place Jews could call home and escape persecution and displacement They get there and it's think it's ok for them to persecute and displace Broad sweeping statement I know, but that's how it looks to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 18 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18 58 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: It works both ways and it goes back further than the Victorian era. Aye, it's easily researched if desired. I would have expected a basic understanding anyway- the long standing issues are common knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 18 Site Supporter Share Posted August 18 Just now, Zico said: That's the thing I struggle with Israel was supposed to be a place Jews could call home and escape persecution and displacement They get there and it's think it's ok for them to persecute and displace Broad sweeping statement I know, but that's how it looks to me No one has said it's OK for them to do that. Many efforts have been made to resolve these sorts of problems, but it all comes back to a lack of trust, and whilst they have neighbours that believe in the destruction of Israel, then not much is going to change. There was briefly a chance things might start doing, but Iran put paid to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 52 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Are you talking about the persecution and displacement of Jews throughout history. I am. It’s the reason why a State was established. The reason why there is a war and the reason we are talking about it. If you’re talking about land grabs in Israel, I agree, totally wrong but my comments were about the phrase plonked. I regretted using the phrase 'plonked' as soon as I pressed 'submit reply'. It was an intentionally facile way of wording it, befitting a football forum 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, BobyBrno said: Are you talking about the persecution and displacement of Jews throughout history. I am. It’s the reason why a State was established. The reason why there is a war and the reason we are talking about it. If you’re talking about land grabs in Israel, I agree, totally wrong but my comments were about the phrase plonked. Sure - but the land grabs - not just by Jews were taking place for a long time before the state was formed. And indeed a long time since. Israel is there and I don’t have a horse in the race. Israel absolutely has a right to exist and those that want to wipe it off the map are abhorrent. However Israel has also behaved abhorrently in threat treatment of Palestinians who were turfed out their homes through violence in many cases and forced into what might be fairly described as open air ghettos. The far left anti semites are disgusting and I’ve encountered a few who make my blood boil. But I don’t see that as good reason to blindly ignore the treatment of the Palestinians which really is awful - I’m not going to march or whatever - there are many injustices in the world. I just don’t see it as taking sides. I’m on the side of sorting the bloody mess out and not accusing folk of war crimes but actually sorting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 18 Moderators Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: No one has said it's OK for them to do that. I didn't say that though, I said they think it's ok They as in Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyn400rm68o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DazBob Posted September 12 Members Share Posted September 12 2 hours ago, deeane Koontz said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyn400rm68o More than likely bullshit as it's a BBC article. I'll wait to see what GB News say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, DazBob said: More than likely bullshit as it's a BBC article. I'll wait to see what GB News say about it. I actually went to have a look if they are reporting it.....first thing that happened was a popup asking me to send them some money. Quote We're proud to be GB News: The fearless champion of Britain, its voices and its values. But there are those who want us - and you - silenced. They will stop at nothing to have this channel and free speech shut down. That's why we need your help. There are now several ways you can support us. Please select an option below: anyway, their main headline is about the possibility Farage and Anderson being made to step down from their programmes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sweep said: anyway, their main headline is about the possibility Farage and Anderson being made to step down from their programmes. If they're a news channel they can have sitting MPs in there but have to also follow some rules on what they publish. If they're an entertainment channel they can say pretty much any old nonsense but can't have sitting MPs with their own shows. Edited September 12 by frank_spencer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Jesus tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted September 17 Site Supporter Share Posted September 17 Heard this too, how did they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 17 Moderators Share Posted September 17 pagers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 42 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Heard this too, how did they do that? That's what I was wondering, have they always had something planted in these pagers that was done at manufacturing stage, or can they cause them, remotely, to blow up just by sending a signal, and interfering with the standard internal components. If it's the latter, which I doubt, then that would be amazing. I didn't know that people still used pagers though to be honest (other than doctors) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 17 Moderators Share Posted September 17 Video here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 16 minutes ago, Zico said: Video here That's absolutely mental. Wonder who had the contract for building/supplying them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 3 minutes ago, Marc505 said: That's absolutely mental. Wonder who had the contract for building/supplying them... It's great what we can do with electronics isn't it - it maybe a precursor to folk randomly getting their heads blown off with mobile phones next Recently, I was lucky enough to visit a customer that is involved in all manner of clandestine cyber shit. They were telling me at the minute a massive issue is folk using cheap shitty charging cables (generally) from China, as they can contain, within the body of the connector, a tiny chip that can gain access to, and transmit data from your mobile/laptop whilst it's charging up, obviously that's pretty rare, but it's not uncommon for them to happily load malware/spyware onto your device. Apparently a load of knock off Apple Earpods were confiscated in London and they all had spyware devices in them - folk buy them because they're only about £10 instead of £150 from Apple (apparently). It's all very interesting stuff 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 9 minutes ago, Sweep said: It's great what we can do with electronics isn't it - it maybe a precursor to folk randomly getting their heads blown off with mobile phones next Recently, I was lucky enough to visit a customer that is involved in all manner of clandestine cyber shit. They were telling me at the minute a massive issue is folk using cheap shitty charging cables (generally) from China, as they can contain, within the body of the connector, a tiny chip that can gain access to, and transmit data from your mobile/laptop whilst it's charging up, obviously that's pretty rare, but it's not uncommon for them to happily load malware/spyware onto your device. Apparently a load of knock off Apple Earpods were confiscated in London and they all had spyware devices in them - folk buy them because they're only about £10 instead of £150 from Apple (apparently). It's all very interesting stuff 🙂 There's a lad on the socials covers all this stuff. He's ace. But it's fucking frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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