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A View From The Other Side

I realise some of you may have zero interest in this which is fair enough but from time to time I like to have a snoop on OppositionWays out of curiosity. Thought it was worth compiling some together which I'll do in this thread whenever I get chance. 

Seems like Lincoln have some pretty level headed fans but then one or two absolutely bitter fuckers. 

Pick of the bunch includes:

THE BITTER

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How about 10 points deducted for every £million of debt a club has?
Wonder just how low these perennial cheats would drop?

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Bolton stayed in Lincoln last night. Not leaving much to chance.

No that was so they could rack up extra debt.

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Surely we can't lose to these cheats?
Why are they not on multiple minus points?

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I'd rather be us than them. How long do they have to pay their debt?

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The simple truth is, as much as the away fans won't want to admit it, we lost to one of those vile clubs tonight. One of those that has spent beyond their means, and clearly continues to do so.

 

THE PRAISE

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Good game. Shit result.
By the standards of last season Bolton should be pushing for promotion. But then that was last season.

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Beaten by the better team. Good to see a big away following.

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FT. Good game. Credit to Bolton - they did enough to control the game throughout, although we had some bright moments, especially in the first half. They also scored at exactly the right time and managed the game out. 

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Bolton also look like a really good side who should be in the top half of the table.

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I have backed Bolton to win the league as I think they are a decent team. They looked like a very settled team that are used to winning.

Taken from https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/match-thread-lincoln-city-v-bolton-wanderers.117675/page-25 

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2 hours ago, Rudy said:

Chris Wilder in

Id take Gene wilder at the minute 

😂😂

Quality post. 

https://youtu.be/R1p_523SEO8

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POST MATCH

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We looked in control and Bolton looked weak to my eyes, right up until we gifted them an equaliser from a moment of individual quality...In the second half we tried to find another gear. But the wheels fell off as legs tired on about seventy minutes. And they fell off spectacularly. Somehow, we conspired to make a hapless Bolton look rampant. 

It was an ugly loss and I don’t know where we go from here.

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Bolton were in dire straits as bad if not worse than us and look far more of a prospect. 5 year plan? A 5 game plan would be a start.

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The worst thing is we weren't even that bad for most of the game. That was close to peak performance and promoted Bolton turned us over 4-1 barely breaking a sweat, in our own back yard 

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There's shit. 

And there's Charlton shit. 

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AND THIS IS NOT A QUESTION I ASSURE YOU...

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After 30 minutes, I thought we were gonna absolutely stuff 'em. 

Erm... didn't quite turn out that way. 

*snip out a LOT of Adkins out posts*

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Every team I have seen this season are more slicker than us and always seem to have spare men

The space their left winger had all game you could have built a housing estate in it. 

Their no 5 and 24 were outstanding  and we were miles apart in quality and how to play football. 

Once they equalised three was only going to be one winner. Scoreline didn't flatter them.

We are just awful.

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Played probably the best I’ve seen us play this season and we still completely capitulated. No hiding from it, 4-1 is an awful result and the sort of result that would get most under pressure managers the sack.

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Bolton are a better side than some are giving them credit for. They were unlucky by all accounts against Sunderland, beat Ipswich by the same margin as they defeated us tonight and are in 7th place with15 points (10 of them away from home). The fact that they are newly promoted is absolutely irrelevant -  they were favourites to win League 2 last season but had a disastrous start, winning just one game from their first 11 in all comps and only amassed 28 points from their first 24 games. They then went on a run of 51 points from their final 22 games to gain automatic promotion.

Bolton stuck with the newly appointed Ian Evatt and it's clear that he struggled early on to find a winning formula. I'm not sure we can do the same with Adkins but hopefully, either way, we can start to move up the table if and when some level of confidence and belief is restored. Quite how we do that I haven't a clue!

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As Dazzler said on the Match Thread, its frustrating because for the majority of the game we looked like we were finally getting it together - To say we dominated the majority of the game is a stretch but it almost felt a smash and grab from Bolton when they went 2-1 up, they just decided to come back twice and kick us in the nuts whilst we were trying to get up from the floor.

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I’ll get this out the way early. The ref was disgusting. In no way did it influence the result but he was absolutely shocking. First half not playing advantage for CBT I think it was, was criminal. To then do it again when Famewo was taken out 3 times but still had the ball and forward momentum then NOT to book their player for the first cynical foul was disgusting. Not to mention the booting the ball away and constantly preventing CMG from throwing an early ball. 

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They just kept banging 20 - 30 yard diagonal balls into acres of space on our right hand side. Matthews played very centrally (he must have been asked to) for a full back and so we never cut out the space, so they kept hitting it. 

It looked to me like they were sizing us up in our dominant period and waiting for us to open up.

First game I have seen this season. My sympathies to the regulars.

I like this one...

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3.20 am and still fuming. 
Fuck off Charlton 

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I was in shock at the end of that. We looked good for most of the first half, and the Bolton equaliser, badly defended as it was, felt a bit against the run of play. But there was a worrying five minutes after that when our heads dropped and we clung on for half time. Second half was an even affair - Bolton looked a lot better but we were right with them, up until the second goal. But there ws a horrible look as a number of our players ran out of gas and needed replacing. And then Bolton scored again, and again our heads dropped, and tis time Bolton had time to turn the screw, which they did - thye had what looked like a clear penalty turned down too.
 

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The score line don’t really reflect the game .. first half we were excellent best home performance of the season .. our movement was good … then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1 .. totally undeserved by Bolton .. second half again end to end very even game looked like a draw .. then a deflected effort finds its way into our goal .. straight down the other end and we are centimetres from going 2-2 with Washington lob ( that goes in if your top of the league ) … Late on a third and another offside goal for the 4th … 

but it far far from a poor performance and like Gillingham , Pompey we showed we can play but we need a little luck to go our way a d the right decisions made by officials 

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The Bolton manager quoted as saying that if they could hold out until 60 minutes he knew Charlton would fatigue as you cannot keep up the high press for 90 minutes. 

 
Seems like everyone, us and the opposition can see what the issues are but not those on the ground inside the club. 
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Imagine our goals against if every team took their chances like Bolton did last night.  :/

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The players fitness is a big concern for me. Why can't they last 90 minutes after two months into the season? Bolton looked fit in the second half whilst we wilted.

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Two key things which are down to the management team and which need to be sorted now.

1/ team spirit is fragile to say the least. Now this may be down to the chopping and changing that has been going on but once the Bolton equaliser went in Charlton heads dropped and things began to fall apart. There was no leader on the pitch to get heads up and get back on track.

2/ fitness levels. Clare, B-T, Leko and Lee were all floundering by the hour mark. Their second goal was in part down to B-T not tracking back and Clare should have been pulled 15 mins before he was. It just isn't good enough for the majority of a team to be blowing out of their arse for the last half an hour. (Note that the Bolton manager rested some of his first pick and then introduced them to finish us off). 

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Come on then, lets have a laugh,

"then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1"

The player that jumps over the ball is a good yard onside, as shown below.

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"another offside goal for the 4th"

You can see from the cut of the grass, that Lavelle is playing the Bolton player onside comfortably.


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I though the referee was poor, for what its worth. But not particularly in either team's favour.

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Bang on - I watched the goals on Sky last night and was freezing the screen to see whether they were bad decisions, and low and behold they were perfectly ok goals 

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EveshamAddick said:
While not wishing to make excuses, I do wonder what impact the appalling weather had in that. Lots of goals going in at other games in League 1 last night.

Bolton had clearly played in the rain before. Very unfair. 

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how long did it take bolton to turn things around and get better than us? 

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A Bolton fan texted me last night, he was apologising for what he saw as a bit of a travesty - he thought Bolton were very pedestrian and we were the better team until they took the lead. What's damning is that while that is probably true, we quickly moved from being in with a shout to totally collapsing. Ridiculously, there were more positives than some of the games earlier this season, but these were outweighed by the usual frailties and a worrying lack of fitness which was a big part of what happened.

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Jeez. We weren't awful & 4-1 flattered Bolton. 

 

Brilliant. 

They definitely capitulated. The Ifollow commentators heads went as soon as we equalised. 

They ain't in a good place as a club it would seem. 

25 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Brilliant. 

They definitely capitulated. The Ifollow commentators heads went as soon as we equalised. 

They ain't in a good place as a club it would seem. 

I watched on Charltons ifollow on Tues, the inquest after the game was fookin hilarious, they were suicidal.

The pundits including Curbishley didn’t really give us much credit, it was  all about how they caved in after 70 mins after looking the better team for most of the match blah blah blah.

Charlton fans, when compared to a lot of other forums, seem fairly balanced in their views. Especially when I think of the Ipswich game, much more arrogance from their board despite a similarly bad start.

The Charlton game goes to show how important managers are in the lower leagues because in terms of quality there's not much between most sides in League One. Saw someone either on here or Twitter at the start of the season saying how Adkins and Cotterill are top class managers for this level, the table would suggest otherwise, both men who have enjoyed successes in the past but football moves fast and their best days seem behind them, whereas Evatt seems much more grounded in the modern era.

As several Charlton fans picked up, our fitness is next level compared to theirs and that made the difference on Tuesday night, that's all down to coaching. 

They capitulated because they were fucked

That time we 'wasted' knocking it about at the back and the pressure sarc and Doyle put on their centre backs first half is clearly going to affect them

When we win some silverware I'm getting a tattoo of:

Ian Evatt looks a horrible bastard

 

3.20 am and still fuming. 
Fuck off Charlton 

We've all been there too.

8 hours ago, Traf said:

3.20 am and still fuming. 
Fuck off Charlton 

We've all been there too.

I think there are a couple on this board who still are.

9 hours ago, Casino said:

They capitulated because they were fucked

That time we 'wasted' knocking it about at the back and the pressure sarc and Doyle put on their centre backs first half is clearly going to affect them

Opposition supporters (and still many of our “get it up the pitch!” supporters) see us playing it out, side to side, front to back then side to side again and see it as just not getting anywhere. All the while the opposition are chasing their tails and getting fucked in the process. They’ll get it eventually.

10 hours ago, Casino said:

They capitulated because they were fucked

That time we 'wasted' knocking it about at the back and the pressure sarc and Doyle put on their centre backs first half is clearly going to affect them

I think it was said last season (by Rudy?) when you are chasing the ball that's hardest thing to do fitness wise. We tire teams out with our "fannying about" and "pointless passing in our own half".

All part of the plan. Won't always work out but fantastic to see us have a bloody plan and play some lovely football. Hopefully much more to come from this team (Evatr certainly thinks so) and a couple more additions and we are cooking!

EveshamAddick said:

 

While not wishing to make excuses, I do wonder what impact the appalling weather had in that. Lots of goals going in at other games in League 1 last night.

 

Bolton had clearly played in the rain before. Very unfair

 

That made made me chuckle.

 

 

12 hours ago, matty2094 said:

Bolton had clearly played in the rain before. Very unfair. 

Wtf! 

1 minute ago, Popeye doyle said:

Wtf! 

It was tongue in cheek.

31 minutes ago, Max Cherry said:

I think it was said last season (by Rudy?) when you are chasing the ball that's hardest thing to do fitness wise. We tire teams out with our "fannying about" and "pointless passing in our own half".

All part of the plan. Won't always work out but fantastic to see us have a bloody plan and play some lovely football. Hopefully much more to come from this team (Evatr certainly thinks so) and a couple more additions and we are cooking!

One of those sunderland fans, i think, described our fitness as superhuman

We are very lucky to be watching these lads

Evatt’s non-negotiables👍

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It was tongue in cheek.

I know,I was agreeing with you. I was wtf’ing at the Charlton fan.

7 minutes ago, Popeye doyle said:

I know,I was agreeing with you. I was wtf’ing at the Charlton fan.

👍

I thought they were both Charlton fans, one dissing the other!

I saw one of those comments picking Kachunga out for particular praise.

Looked to be involved on the highlights- for those that went, what were your thoughts.

 

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I saw one of those comments picking Kachunga out for particular praise.

Looked to be involved on the highlights- for those that went, what were your thoughts.

 

I thought he was much better than I’ve seen him previously and he had some good moments and link up play. His confidence is up, although he’s not at the same level as some of the other players.

1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I thought he was much better than I’ve seen him previously and he had some good moments and link up play. His confidence is up, although he’s not at the same level as some of the other players.

Did he look more comfortable on the right?

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Did he look more comfortable on the right?

Don’t think he offered as much as Isgrove but definitely improving and looks a good prospect once fully match fit. Would start him again tomorrow and give Isgrove’s cut more time to heal. 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Did he look more comfortable on the right?

Yes, he did. He doesn’t offer what the wingers can in terms of beating men, putting in a cross etc, but he looked decent with more space to work with.

He was able to link play a bit better and draw defenders wide, making gaps for others to run into and finding runners in or around the edge of the box. Some good hold up play and lay offs to MJ and Jones.

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