Might as well make a thread for them.

 

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Thought you'd be more excited about that bulletproof train from Pyongyang.

I watched it on Twitter and mainly wondered if it was ATCMS proof whilst looking for N Koreans hanging on to the undercarriage in a bid to escape.

9 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

I count both Huns and Hoops amongst my friends and sure both are supportive of other teams but are united in their support for Scotland when it comes to playing England and in general in my experience. I've stood with the Scotland fans in Hampden for this fixture a few times most memorable of which were our 5 nil thrashing of them in 73 when the Celtic fans I was with on that occasion protected my on the way out of the game and the following year when Jimmy Johnstone ripped us a new one when the Rangers fans I went with only took the piss for a month or so - even though they were slightly conflicted as it was one of Celtic's finest who'd done the damage. That was the first time I saw Jinky play and he was so small I thought they'd mistakenly brought on the ball boy - weird seeing as they had Bremner in the same team. Only been to Hampden for internationals a handful of times in the intervening years but haven't stood with the Scotland fans since those earlier matches however if there's one thing that unites the Glasgow (and Edinburgh) club fans it's the common hatred of their "colonialist oppressors" as they like to think of us.

There is a small minority of both Orangemen and Hibernians/Columbans who put their respective causes ahead of their countries when it comes to football allegiance - but even though both sets of organisations posture a lot, in reality the vast majority of their respective communities don't. For sure they'll sing the songs and pay lip service  but there's nothing like putting one over on the English to make their day.

My first proper memory of the fixture was in 1978 when we won 0-1 at Hampden with a late Steve Coppell goal. They'd hammered us in the game but couldn't score, Asa Hartford orchestrating for the Jocks seven years before he signed for BWFC. The sweaties were full of their forthcoming trip to the Argentina World Cup: "And England won't be there because they did'nae qualify"

In all those early fixtures I saw you never saw an away end or England fans at Hampden and the Jocks invaded Wembley and probably had 80-90 per cent of the stadium. 

Then in 85 England played the Jocks at Hampden and about 10 England fans appeared holding aloft a St George's flag, inspiring venom and enduring projectiles from all directions before being hauled to safety. From there onward the Jocks had to provide an away end. Meanwhile at Wembley England supporters started turning up in ever bigger numbers. 

Jock Stein said in one of the early 80s games something along the lines of "The English want to win this fixture as much as we do these days". He was right. It was the same last night. I was really happy with England's attitude. I wish our lot had shown the same mindset v Wigan. 

As for the Rangers thing, I think their fans go a bit silent on this topic these days, having previously been fervent Scotland fans. Not for an Englishman to guess what's gone on there. Let's just enjoy yet another win v the Jocks, no loss v them for 24 years and no defeat in Scotland since that 1985 game.

If they ever got independence, then their players wanting to play in England would have to get a permit.

If their national team were to continue to perform poorly, then that may impact that.

Some complicated rules!

29 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

My first proper memory of the fixture was in 1978 when we won 0-1 at Hampden with a late Steve Coppell goal. They'd hammered us in the game but couldn't score, Asa Hartford orchestrating for the Jocks seven years before he signed for BWFC. The sweaties were full of their forthcoming trip to the Argentina World Cup: "And England won't be there because they did'nae qualify"

In all those early fixtures I saw you never saw an away end or England fans at Hampden and the Jocks invaded Wembley and probably had 80-90 per cent of the stadium. 

Then in 85 England played the Jocks at Hampden and about 10 England fans appeared holding aloft a St George's flag, inspiring venom and enduring projectiles from all directions before being hauled to safety. From there onward the Jocks had to provide an away end. Meanwhile at Wembley England supporters started turning up in ever bigger numbers. 

Jock Stein said in one of the early 80s games something along the lines of "The English want to win this fixture as much as we do these days". He was right. It was the same last night. I was really happy with England's attitude. I wish our lot had shown the same mindset v Wigan. 

As for the Rangers thing, I think their fans go a bit silent on this topic these days, having previously been fervent Scotland fans. Not for an Englishman to guess what's gone on there. Let's just enjoy yet another win v the Jocks, no loss v them for 24 years and no defeat in Scotland since that 1985 game.

Paul, England fans were banned for the visit to Hampden, think 89, we ended up with 6,000 in the ground. Alot of English mobs havin it with each other, Jocks nowhere to be seen. We got tickets very easily outside.

3 minutes ago, woolli said:

Paul, England fans were banned for the visit to Hampden, think 89, we ended up with 6,000 in the ground. Alot of English mobs havin it with each other, Jocks nowhere to be seen. We got tickets very easily outside.

Kinell, how sad!

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Kinell, how sad!

Par for the course in those days. Even at the world cup 82 English mobs use do battle with each other. I remember travelling back from Denmark on the train to the port, West Ham chucking tear gas into our train cabin of 6/8. Its just how it was, and you expected it at England away games..

9 hours ago, globaldiver said:

Bellingham reminds me of Pele

And people wonder why we're still taking the knee.

20 minutes ago, woolli said:

Paul, England fans were banned for the visit to Hampden, think 89, we ended up with 6,000 in the ground. Alot of English mobs havin it with each other, Jocks nowhere to be seen. We got tickets very easily outside.

Remember Derby & Forest being well represented that day so no doubt they were at it...... Rangers & Celtic were battling each other at the side of us in the ground too. 

Thinking about it I don't think I can recall an England Scotland game before Euro 96 

Was there one of any significance in the 80s, or early 90s?

1 minute ago, Zico said:

Thinking about it I don't think I can recall an England Scotland game before Euro 96 

Was there one of any significance in the 80s, or early 90s?

I used to love the 'home internationals' as a kid. Bring 'em back.

51 minutes ago, woolli said:

Paul, England fans were banned for the visit to Hampden, think 89, we ended up with 6,000 in the ground. Alot of English mobs havin it with each other, Jocks nowhere to be seen. We got tickets very easily outside.

89 was the last of the annual fixtures. Memorable for Steve Bull ramming home our second in a 0-2 win.

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

Thinking about it I don't think I can recall an England Scotland game before Euro 96 

Was there one of any significance in the 80s, or early 90s?

Look up 1967.

We, being World Vup holders were beaten by them, at Wembley & the kitties invaded the pitch. Ten's of thousands of them. Breaking the crossbars & claiming to then be World Champions.

Wankers.

5 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Look up 1967.

We, being World Vup holders were beaten by them, at Wembley & the kitties invaded the pitch. Ten's of thousands of them. Breaking the crossbars & claiming to then be World Champions.

Wankers.

10 years before I was born

I know the broke the posts in 77

just don't recall anything in the 80s or any time I was watching footy before 96

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If they ever got independence, then their players wanting to play in England would have to get a permit.

If their national team were to continue to perform poorly, then that may impact that.

Some complicated rules!

What, like being 5 from 5 in what was predicted to be one of the toughest groups in a long time?

45 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Remember Derby & Forest being well represented that day so no doubt they were at it...... Rangers & Celtic were battling each other at the side of us in the ground too. 

Bolton was well represented, over 100 strong, really nice lads!

3 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

What, like being 5 from 5 in what was predicted to be one of the toughest groups in a long time?

Even if Spain wins their 2 games in hand the Jocks will still be top of the group.

8 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Even if Spain wins their 2 games in hand the Jocks will still be top of the group.

Just the one game in hand now after this week, albeit playing each other next up. 

Edited September 13, 20232 yr by Leyther_Matt

1 hour ago, L/H White said:

And people wonder why we're still taking the knee.

Excuse me?

53 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

What, like being 5 from 5 in what was predicted to be one of the toughest groups in a long time?

I'm aware of this year's relative success. One swallow and all that.

Point stands.

Unlikely to matter though, as independence remains unlikely.

52 minutes ago, woolli said:

Bolton was well represented, over 100 strong, really nice lads!

A dozen of us went in a van, don't remember bumping into many other whites..... But it was a bit of a long drunken weekend & a long time ago. 

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

89 was the last of the annual fixtures. Memorable for Steve Bull ramming home our second in a 0-2 win.

Nearly as memorable as Dean Crombie’s goal v Torquay in the Sherpa Van the day after 😀. My mate did both games, Hampden Saturday, Wembley Sunday, 2 historic wins.

There's a noticeable absence of the Southgate detractors today.

3 hours ago, Zico said:

Thinking about it I don't think I can recall an England Scotland game before Euro 96 

Was there one of any significance in the 80s, or early 90s?

Every year for a hundred years until 1984 was significant to the fans of the home nations. Obviously Ireland became Northern Ireland after Irish Independence and Northern Ireland were the last British champions.

Scotland won the Home Nations 41 times - enough to consider them serious rivals.

 

15 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

I watched it on Twitter and mainly wondered if it was ATCMS proof whilst looking for N Koreans hanging on to the undercarriage in a bid to escape.

 We did say at the time, what is the point of a bullet proof train if a foreign power decided to drop a missile on it using a drone.

Anyway, what is the date for the Australia friendly? Been waiting a long time for retribution for the Sven farce.

5 hours ago, Alf Hartigan said:

There's a noticeable absence of the Southgate detractors today.

I'm here! Whilst I get the support for slab head, it will be interesting to see if he persists with him and the rainbow armband hypocrite.

Southgate out. The Guardian must be after a new editor soon. Get a proper football manager in.