Have we decided who we are voting for?

Or can't be arsed?

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The town has a history of voting for the election winning party.

It does in a GE. The fact that these are locals and there is no overall control by end party shows how conflicted the country is overall. 

If people want a simple answer to last night, there is no clear winner out of the two main parties.

15 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It does in a GE. The fact that these are locals and there is no overall control by end party shows how conflicted the country is overall. 

If people want a simple answer to last night, there is no clear winner out of the two main parties.

And that is a massive problem for the Labour party, they should be smashing it mid term and with all the issues surrounding the Tories. I cannot see a day when Labour ever get back into government.   

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

And that is a massive problem for the Labour party, they should be smashing it mid term and with all the issues surrounding the Tories. I cannot see a day when Labour ever get back into government.   

Its a massive problem for both parties

You need to look at the context, Labour couldn't make 'massive gains' yesterday for the simple reason that your bete noire Corbyn led the Labour party to huge gains at the last local elections so the baseline set was already pretty high. That they didn't lose any and made gains will be the successful narrative.

Also, as I've said, its also about layering on local issues, the fact the people vote for a different party than they would in a GE (I know I did yesterday) all make it a complex picture.

That's why it's generally unhelpful to use emotional pejoratives when discussing the results. The idea that one party should be 'smashing it' (whatever that means in a political context) is a bit, well simplistic and frankly untrue.

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

And that is a massive problem for the Labour party, they should be smashing it mid term and with all the issues surrounding the Tories. I cannot see a day when Labour ever get back into government.   

Lib Dem pact.

19 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Lib Dem pact.

Well - that's also the thing with today's results.

The Conservatives would lose their overall majority, and Labour don't need that to form the next government as they would be the biggest single party and the ones that would be in the position to form a coalition.

 

15 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Well - that's also the thing with today's results.

The Conservatives would lose their overall majority, and Labour don't need that to form the next government as they would be the biggest single party and the ones that would be in the position to form a coalition.

 

And the more LibDems achieve in their traditional west country territory the more likely that Labour won't have to seek SNP support.

11 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

And the more LibDems achieve in their traditional west country territory the more likely that Labour won't have to seek SNP support.

It's probably the only way to get the Tories out.

Each party stand aside where they split the vote.

Would be much better for all concerned if party politics was completely removed from local elections. Bit of an outdated system really. Of course, living in Leigh, we've got a Tory MP while every council seat is Labour. So no fucker agrees on anything.

happy with Stockport's outcome

10 Lib Dems

9 Labour

1 Green

1 Independant

 

MPs are 2 each for labour and tory

but can't see tory winning at least one of those next time round

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Lib Dem pact.

Not according the Ed Davy.

Anyway, long time until the GE, plenty of water to flow before then.

Beer gate not going away, and even Khan is acknowledging a breach of rules!

All getting messy.

Maybe a leader pact: they both resign simultaneously. 

Oooh Crawley has swung back to Labour.

Was a hotbed of pro-Brexit Conservatism for a while after years of Labour control - and huge splits in Labour between New Labourites and Momentum.

Its interesting to see what's happening in the South East today

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not according the Ed Davy.

Anyway, long time until the GE, plenty of water to flow before then.

Beer gate not going away, and even Khan is acknowledging a breach of rules!

All getting messy.

Maybe a leader pact: they both resign simultaneously. 

No leader will ever talk about a pact - ever - before an election. Its a voter turn off for one, and damages your party activists for another.

Beergate will be small beer in comparsion to the full Sue Grey report which will now come out.

I have to say Johnson's interview wasn't great today, there is a narrative (despite the Daily Mail's best efforts) around its being a night of Conservative failure. Its certainly not the whole picture, but having grumpy local councilors calling for the party leader's head is not a good look - and people will look at the results, not dig deeper and overall its not a great evening.

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not according the Ed Davy.

Anyway, long time until the GE, plenty of water to flow before then.

Beer gate not going away, and even Khan is acknowledging a breach of rules!

All getting messy.

Maybe a leader pact: they both resign simultaneously. 

Aye, I know. But at some point he has to ask himself does he want to remain irrelevant for ever or try and influence things.

I'll be honest I just had to Google him. I wasn't even sure he was leader. I've not known who has been leader since that dick Clegg. Or the piss pot. Was he after Clegg?

38 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Anyway, long time until the GE, plenty of water to flow before then.

Cue Boris on a white stallion, charging to Moscow to decapitate Putin about a month prior to GE.

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Aye, I know. But at some point he has to ask himself does he want to remain irrelevant for ever or try and influence things.

I'll be honest I just had to Google him. I wasn't even sure he was leader. I've not known who has been leader since that dick Clegg. Or the piss pot. Was he after Clegg?

You had the god botherer inbetween

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Aye, I know. But at some point he has to ask himself does he want to remain irrelevant for ever or try and influence things.

I'll be honest I just had to Google him. I wasn't even sure he was leader. I've not known who has been leader since that dick Clegg. Or the piss pot. Was he after Clegg?

Joe Swinson.

Reneged on the fundamental, lost her own seat and disappeared.

Crawley has a point about not revealing cards early, but Clegg lost a lot of support by doing a deal (the right thing), and that will be fresh in ED's mind.

Looking at bolton Turn out 

some was as low as 23%

only the RAYGUN bits had a high turn out where Labour  won

Just now, little whitt said:

Looking at bolton Turn out 

some was as low as 23%

only the RAYGUN bits had a high turn out where Labour  won

And that's also where there's a high number of postal votes.

The middle classes of Hertfordshire have spoken and elected a Labour representative. Bins are overflowing already.

Tories lost about 450 seats.

Good to see seats going to greens and lib dems.

a 2 party system needs to end.

The Tories have been quite rightly trashed by voters. You cannot behave like they have nationally and expect people to back you locally.

9 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

The Tories have been quite rightly trashed by voters. You cannot behave like they have nationally and expect people to back you locally.

I did, because I'm voting for people who are doing a good job and have no control over the central party.

As I said before, I'm not in the game of ousting good people doing a good job.

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I did, because I'm voting for people who are doing a good job and have no control over the central party.

As I said before, I'm not in the game of ousting good people doing a good job.

Which is exactly how you should vote during the local elections. 

Unfortunately a lot of people don't understand the difference between local and general elections and I've seen this played on by the councillors involved in the local elections (The Astley Bridge lib dem Facebook page being an excellent example of this!)  

32 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I did, because I'm voting for people who are doing a good job and have no control over the central party.

As I said before, I'm not in the game of ousting good people doing a good job.

Yes I understand but the reality is that national issues are very relevant. As voters we have very few opportunities to send a message that resonates in Westminster.

I agree that if you are really pleased with your local council, and they happen to be another party, it does present a tricky decision. Personally the national situation and cost of living crisis was the biggest driver to vote non-Tory.

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yes I understand but the reality is that national issues are very relevant. As voters we have very few opportunities to send a message that resonates in Westminster.

I agree that if you are really pleased with your local council, and they happen to be another party, it does present a tricky decision. Personally the national situation and cost of living crisis was the biggest driver to vote non-Tory.

But and this is a genuine question. Would you not have voted non tory even if they’d just given us all a million quid and a shot on their wives?