just read mccallum is new red ball coach, appointed by 'cricket chief' rob key who appointed captain stokes

now, i get that i must be asleep and never see a paper, but fucking hell, ive missed all this happening

5-0 this

no declaration day 1 , we would have won

stokes and baz out

Here we go….

1 hour ago, desperado said:

Here we go….

Have you not learned yet!

The usual suspects...

Anyway, several missed opportunities in both batting and bowling that will inevitably mean questions will be asked, and that is fair enough. 

Maybe some reflection and discussions within the camp.

We were very close but fair play to the Aussies- they were never out of it and showed quality and grit despite our new approach.

Cracking game and good advert for test cricket- just hope we can make those little improvements to win the next.

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Have you not learned yet!

The usual suspects...

Anyway, several missed opportunities in both batting and bowling that will inevitably mean questions will be asked, and that is fair enough. 

Maybe some reflection and discussions within the camp.

We were very close but fair play to the Aussies- they were never out of it and showed quality and grit despite our new approach.

Cracking game and good advert for test cricket- just hope we can make those little improvements to win the next.

Good post.

Yes I’m all for Stokes and McCullum making the tweaks and discussing variations/options when faced with a similar situation again. 

Who knows, that declaration may actually have put us in the best position to win that test and they may even do that again.  Putting them on the back foot, taking early wickets the morning after, taking the game to them - it didn’t work this time, but how much of that was down to very close missed chances, rather than the early declaration? 

I think being open minded in discussions and looking at why they did the things they did and positively how it gave us a great chance to beat the Aussies is a better way of analysing, rather than lazily and negatively claiming the unusual/aggressive tactics lost us the game and its all doom and gloom.

 

1 hour ago, L/H White said:

no declaration day 1 , we would have won

stokes and baz out

Root might have been out next ball.

Although I would play Bairstow as a batsmen and play our best keeper.

But great entertainment either way.

if anyone hears of any tickets going for OT please give me a shout.

Still think it odd we lost 2 wickets under floodlights but I still don't understand it all if I am honest. Enjoyed it though despite the loss.

3 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Still think it odd we lost 2 wickets under floodlights but I still don't understand it all if I am honest. Enjoyed it though despite the loss.

I've had TMS on in the background for the full 5 days, and still don't have a fucking clue what went on. I'm determined to understand it one day.

58 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Still think it odd we lost 2 wickets under floodlights but I still don't understand it all if I am honest. Enjoyed it though despite the loss.

There were big question marks over whether it was really light enough to play imo

Still, we had the opportunity to win it today and couldn't do it so we can't complain too much

I hate this mentality

 

We didn't win, but we had a chance to.
Had we not declared on Day 1, I don't think we'd have even got the chance.

 

Yep, all this, shouldn’t have declared. We may have batted on scored another 30-40. Who knows. But then the game would have been pushed back and we may have witnessed the Aussies falling 40 runs short but with 4 wickets in hand this evening.

For all of our missed chances - the Aussies can counter that and say - look at both Smith and Labuschagne’s failures. That won’t happen again in this series.

They are just the better team and the end result will easily show that.

Wait until we start resting players 🙄

9 hours ago, Cheese said:

I've had TMS on in the background for the full 5 days, and still don't have a fucking clue what went on. I'm determined to understand it one day.

Its been a great listen. The lass they have on certainly knows her onions.

All ifs buts a maybes innit.

Bairstow clearly isnt fit and Foakes is by far a better wicket keeper. Fuck knows how you fit both in as you dont want to lose Bairstow from the order.

Wood digs you out of a hole too. But again he's only taking Broad or Jimmys place.

 

 

43 minutes ago, Horwich said:

Wait until we start resting players 🙄

All part of the plan I would imagine.

Getting Wood in at some stage with some added pace would surely make sense would it not?

And as fantastic as Anderson is, at 40, there will be tests he’s rested for this summer - they’ve said this and they’ve done this previously in recent series’

Poor effort Mr Horwich - armchair amateur expert.

Lets see how many players the Aussies rest.

We played our best x1 in the first test for a reason.

7 minutes ago, Horwich said:

Lets see how many players the Aussies rested.

We played our best x1 in the first test for a reason.

Yeh because Jimmy was fit and rested, Moen was fresh and didn’t have a gammy finger, Bairstow was back and injury free, Stokes’ back/knees were tested, let’s hope they last the course.

All of those could conceivably and understandably miss tests for injury/resting/rotation purposes.

Oh and I’d be amazed if Starc wasn’t given a test at some point - bloody Aussies, just wait til they start resting players 🙄 

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Edited June 21, 20233 yr by desperado

Just wait til they start scoring runs 🙄

2 minutes ago, Horwich said:

Just wait til they start scoring runs 🙄

Right, so you’ve moved on and now seem to accept that rotation is part of modern sport - I’ll take that 👍

I don’t think your other obvious point needs much discussion. 

Have you had a bad nights sleep?

12 minutes ago, Horwich said:

Have you had a bad nights sleep?

Pretty tired actually.

But didn’t need too much brain power to debate those points 😉

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Its been a great listen. The lass they have on certainly knows her onions.

All ifs buts a maybes innit.

Bairstow clearly isnt fit and Foakes is by far a better wicket keeper. Fuck knows how you fit both in as you dont want to lose Bairstow from the order.

Wood digs you out of a hole too. But again he's only taking Broad or Jimmys place.

I meant "Cricket" in general. I didn't have a clue what they were talking about most of the time. 😁

I loved it, thought it was a great advert for Test Cricket and exactly what the style England are playing is trying to achieve in terms of entertainment. 

The declaration for me had little to do with it, sure we may have seen Australia bat out to a dull draw, but not sure anyone wants to sit watching that. 

Think some changes could definitely be made selection wise for the next one though, I think dropping Foakes was always a mistake, as well as hoping Moeen could hold up an end in a test despite not playing red ball for two years. I'd expect they will be heavily debating getting Wood in as well, just for some more variation from the pace attack as the three we had this match all came with similar plans and lines.