Wanderlust Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, jmjhb said: That said, I suppose it beats being petrified and being bowled out for less than 200 That's the beauty of aggressive play - at least you usually get a few runs on the board before crashing - and it's very entertaining. Go down swinging as they say - it might just work! We still need a lot more runs IMO so it's going to fun. Quote
Casino Posted June 16, 2023 Author Posted June 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, Wanderlust said: ...and just as uncannily accurate Id say 400 at 5 an over isnt too shabby for day 1 Odd you would suggest little evidence of bazball Now, its possible they get 600. But i suspect they wont Quote
jmjhb Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 I know Bazball is all about giving the opposition a chance to win but this shouldn't be the case for the Ashes Quote
desperado Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 1 minute ago, jmjhb said: I know Bazball is all about giving the opposition a chance to win but this shouldn't be the case for the Ashes Give over - didn’t take long for the approach to get criticised. Embrace it and enjoy it. Imagine if they get one or two wickets before the end of play Quote
jmjhb Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 Don't see what harm giving Root 10 more overs would have done. Oh well Quote
BobyBrno Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 Did similar in Wellington. Lost the match by 1 run. Exiting match though. Didn’t mind too much then but wouldn’t want the same result this time. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, globaldiver said: I wouldn’t have declared, but…. I like the ballsy attitude were basically saying the Aussies we reckon we can get you all out and have a first innings lead and that might mess with their heads. Sets it up nicely for day 2. Edited June 16, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
MancWanderer Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 Well that was fun. Didnt agree with the declaration at first but that’s gonna mess with the Aussies heads. What do they do? Try to be patient or go aggressive as well? Quite like it. Puts them under pressure imo. Can they build a score or go at nearly 5 an over? Quote
globaldiver Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Well that was fun. Didnt agree with the declaration at first but that’s gonna mess with the Aussies heads. What do they do? Try to be patient or go aggressive as well? Quite like it. Puts them under pressure imo. Can they build a score or go at nearly 5 an over? I just hope we win, otherwise there’ll be criticism from everywhere. The Ashes are not the same as any other cricket competition. Quote
desperado Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, globaldiver said: I just hope we win, otherwise there’ll be criticism from everywhere. The Ashes are not the same as any other cricket competition. I get it. But I’m not going to shift from my pre series judgement, even if we get whitewashed. Put the criticism to one side and embrace what’s happening. Wait till the series is over before a post mortem starts. I’m sure Stokes/McCullum will analyse where they went wrong, what they got right. And just try to do it better next time. And that’s if we lose!! Crikey we’ve scored just short of 400 runs, got the Aussies on the back foot, got them going all defensive after just being crowned World Champions and have a great chance of winning the first test, yet we are are somehow finding a negative slant!! This “criticism from everywhere if we don’t win” will be wrong. I hope they can block out the the negative noise if it happens. Im sure they will. Innovators in Sport don’t get to the top by listening to the amateurs. Stokes should come out and say “Well if you don’t like it don’t pay to watch or tune in” We could always get Chris Tavaré back in to get the crowd entertained. Quote
globaldiver Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 5 hours ago, desperado said: I get it. But I’m not going to shift from my pre series judgement, even if we get whitewashed. Put the criticism to one side and embrace what’s happening. Wait till the series is over before a post mortem starts. I’m sure Stokes/McCullum will analyse where they went wrong, what they got right. And just try to do it better next time. And that’s if we lose!! Crikey we’ve scored just short of 400 runs, got the Aussies on the back foot, got them going all defensive after just being crowned World Champions and have a great chance of winning the first test, yet we are are somehow finding a negative slant!! This “criticism from everywhere if we don’t win” will be wrong. I hope they can block out the the negative noise if it happens. Im sure they will. Innovators in Sport don’t get to the top by listening to the amateurs. Stokes should come out and say “Well if you don’t like it don’t pay to watch or tune in” We could always get Chris Tavaré back in to get the crowd entertained. I agree, but would I take a tedious 2-1 v a thrill a minute, sublimely entertaining, 2-3, so not regaining the Ashes? Quote
desperado Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, globaldiver said: I agree, but would I take a tedious 2-1 v a thrill a minute, sublimely entertaining, 2-3, so not regaining the Ashes? At any other time in history I would have agreed with you. But when you do something as ground-breaking as what England are trying, it would be a retrograde step in achieving your ultimate aim, if you were to suddenly doubt your methods and revert to something different. Think of the rise and progress of the one day team up to the World Cup win in 2019. They wouldn’t have achieved that if they changed their methods and approach 12 games in. Quote
globaldiver Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, desperado said: At any other time in history I would have agreed with you. But when you do something as ground-breaking as what England are trying, it would be a retrograde step in achieving your ultimate aim, if you were to suddenly doubt your methods and revert to something different. Think of the rise and progress of the one day team up to the World Cup win in 2019. They wouldn’t have achieved that if they changed their methods and approach 12 games in. Here’s hoping that we win and with this philosophy! Quote
desperado Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Here’s hoping that we win and with this philosophy! Absolutely! It would be fantastic. I just have a realistic feeling it won’t be this time. Quote
Traf Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 Nearly 400 on the opening day of an Ashes Test, never mind series is something rarely done by England. The declaration was right IMO. A calculated gamble on possibly nicking a wicket or two followed by the prospect of a fully fresh attack steaming in this morning for a second bite at the cherry, what's not to like? Yeah, Root could have gone on and on, but either he or Robinson could have gone next ball, Jimmy might not have hung around, it's all conjecture. The declaration came as late as it possibly could in reality, for the Aussies to have to bat on Day 1. The other thing is the mind games. It's not that rare that Australia have batted second, but still batted on Day 1, but they've usually skittled a team out to do it, they're now more on the back foot than they would normally be. Quote
MancWanderer Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 This 🖕from Traf My pre-series prediction was a narrow win for the Aussies. They are a very, very good side. Playing this way is not only exciting but imo the only way we’ll have a chance of beating them Cant wait for my day out at Old Trafford with the eldest Quote
BobyBrno Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 Cloudy conditions today in Brum. Should help our bowlers.🤞 Quote
desperado Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Traf said: Nearly 400 on the opening day of an Ashes Test, never mind series is something rarely done by England. The declaration was right IMO. A calculated gamble on possibly nicking a wicket or two followed by the prospect of a fully fresh attack steaming in this morning for a second bite at the cherry, what's not to like? Yeah, Root could have gone on and on, but either he or Robinson could have gone next ball, Jimmy might not have hung around, it's all conjecture. The declaration came as late as it possibly could in reality, for the Aussies to have to bat on Day 1. The other thing is the mind games. It's not that rare that Australia have batted second, but still batted on Day 1, but they've usually skittled a team out to do it, they're now more on the back foot than they would normally be. Good post. I get that this view is still a minority, just (45/55% for/against the declaration on this morning’s BBC TMS poll). I guess most folk fall into the category of safety first, having a different perspective because it’s the ashes and it just being so far removed from test cricket we’ve seen previously. My grandad, god bless him, would be turning in his grave at the prospect of declaring on day one of a test… against the Aussies 😂 Quote
Traf Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 It's also worth noting that with tickets costing £50+, there has to be some 'entertainment' to attract a younger crowd. Quote
Wanderlust Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 As expected the Aussies are taking their time - but Warner drags it on to his stumps - so now only 9 walls to break down. It's going to be a job. Quote
Traf Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 And if this had happened last night, there'd have been no debate! Quote
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