England cricket

[meanderson93]

I loved it, thought it was a great advert for Test Cricket and exactly what the style England are playing is trying to achieve in terms of entertainment. 

The declaration for me had little to do with it, sure we may have seen Australia bat out to a dull draw, but not sure anyone wants to sit watching that. 

Think some changes could definitely be made selection wise for the next one though, I think dropping Foakes was always a mistake, as well as hoping Moeen could hold up an end in a test despite not playing red ball for two years. I'd expect they will be heavily debating getting Wood in as well, just for some more variation from the pace attack as the three we had this match all came with similar plans and lines. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

This was hardly England's first eleven. 

Unfortunately, I can't see our seriously quick bowler-Archer-playing test cricket again.

Moeen was a gamble, and he did OK, but a stop-gap only surely?

I can also see the potential for Bairstow opening and Foakes playing as well.

[Horwich]

Leach was a blow so close to the ashes.

[meanderson93]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This was hardly England's first eleven. 

Unfortunately, I can't see our seriously quick bowler-Archer-playing test cricket again.

Moeen was a gamble, and he did OK, but a stop-gap only surely?

I can also see the potential for Bairstow opening and Foakes playing as well.

That would have always been my preference personally, having Bairstow come in and being a part of that opening partnership, leaving Foakes as the more than capable keeper and batting at 7.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Bairstow had a whinge about a scenario like that, he's got previous for having a paddy when he's not been given the gloves. 

[DazBob]

Who is being dropped to accommodate both Bairstow and Foakes?

[desperado]

3 hours ago, Horwich said:

Leach was a blow so close to the ashes.

I’ve woke up a bit now 😊.

I agree, big miss not having Leachy 👍

[desperado]

17 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Who is being dropped to accommodate both Bairstow and Foakes?

I can only think people are thinking Ducket or Crawley - but I’m not so sure. 

While I get the argument for Foakes’ inclusion, I’m not sure about him replacing either of those 2 or Bairstow. 

That said, I’m sure it will be a consideration that the management are discussing. But I think Wood coming in, resting Anderson and  replacing Moen, will be the key considerations.

[Casino]

25 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Who is being dropped to accommodate both Bairstow and Foakes?

The obvious answer would be crawley but of the 2, im think duckett has at least as much to prove

Anyway, you then potentially hurt bairstows batting, which would be crackers

Bairstow keeps the gloves for me

[meanderson93]

7 minutes ago, Casino said:

The obvious answer would be crawley but of the 2, im think duckett has at least as much to prove

Anyway, you then potentially hurt bairstows batting, which would be crackers

Bairstow keeps the gloves for me

Single handedly cost us the match with the gloves though, I'm just not sure how we can justify it, he doesn't look comfortable back there especially standing up closer to the wicket. 

Saw a suggested lineup on Twitter that I wouldn't mind seeing us go for which included dropping Pope, not sure that's be the move as I believe he's a vice captain but based on form is understandable. 

Crawley, Duckett, Brook, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Foakes (wk), Dawson, Wood, Robinson, Broad

[Casino]

If dawsons the answer, where the fuck is spin bowling going

 

[Traf]

6 hours ago, meanderson93 said:

I think dropping Foakes was always a mistake, as well as hoping Moeen could hold up an end in a test despite not playing red ball for two years 

Nobody expected Ali to 'hold up an end'.

He even said he couldn't in the pre-match interviews.

[Smiley]

Interesting that nobody is considering Jos Buttler in any of this. Imagine his batting style in this team where he no longer has to prod about and pretend to play “olde worlde” test cricket. I’d pay good money to see that. Oh, and he can keep wicket whilst he’s at it.

[L/H White]

what's happed to archer btw, can't say i follow cricket to much bar the ashes, but he seems to have fallen off a cliff

[DazBob]

3 minutes ago, L/H White said:

what's happed to archer btw, can't say i follow cricket to much bar the ashes, but he seems to have fallen off a cliff

His arm is made of Weetabix unfortunately.

[Marc505]

I'm more of a casual follower too, though I do watch many of the test series, so this might be a bit of a naive question but did anyone else find the sweary football style chanting a bit out of order? The "your support is fucking shit" etc?

I'm not against the raucous atmosphere and it's great so many want to actually go and watch now but partly kind of watch it for a bit of a break from the football "edge"!

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

5 hours ago, Smiley said:

Interesting that nobody is considering Jos Buttler in any of this. Imagine his batting style in this team where he no longer has to prod about and pretend to play “olde worlde” test cricket. I’d pay good money to see that. Oh, and he can keep wicket whilst he’s at it.

Buttler's never a Test match batsman

Bazball or no Bazball

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Marc505 said:

I'm more of a casual follower too, though I do watch many of the test series, so this might be a bit of a naive question but did anyone else find the sweary football style chanting a bit out of order? The "your support is fucking shit" etc?

I'm not against the raucous atmosphere and it's great so many want to actually go and watch now but partly kind of watch it for a bit of a break from the football "edge"!

The inevitable result of introducing "party stands"

[Casino]

And without the football influx paying football money, the crowds wouldnt be what they are, tbf

Ashes aside

[meanderson93]

18 hours ago, Traf said:

Nobody expected Ali to 'hold up an end'.

He even said he couldn't in the pre-match interviews.

Well he bowled 33 overs in the 1st Innings, 40 total spin overs with Root. And then 15 in the 2nd, 31 total with Root. Both innings were more than Lyon was asked to do for Australia.  

It's sort of the minimum expectation of a spin bowler in test cricket to bowl for long periods in support of the pace attack, he was never going to be capable of doing that, making his selection a mistake in my opinion. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

15 hours ago, Casino said:

And without the football influx paying football money, the crowds wouldnt be what they are, tbf

Ashes aside

Not sure about that- England traditionally has good test crowds.

Sky money too.

No doubt it has become an opportunity to extent the footy season though for some.

Marc is spot on, watching the videos from boby the barmy army seem able to moderate the language/behaviour which footy lads can't. 

[BobyBrno]

The Hollies Stand has always been like that. I was in there for the last Ashes series. Managed to find a seat in another section though as it was too much for me. Different atmosphere at the other Test grounds, even Yorkshire😉

[BobyBrno]

Anyway. The convict song, sung at all grounds (apart from Lords)😊

 

[BobyBrno]

Just been looking at the ICC player rankings. Joe Root now No. 1 batter in the world. 
In the batting list, we have 1 in the top ten, the Aussies have 4.

In the bowling, we have 3, the Aussies 2. 

If cricket was played on a computer, the Aussies would edge it all the time. 
Luckily it’s played on grass but the toss of a coin before the match even starts could determine the outcome. 
That’s cricket.

[Casino]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Just been looking at the ICC player rankings. Joe Root now No. 1 batter in the world. 
In the batting list, we have 1 in the top ten, the Aussies have 4.

In the bowling, we have 3, the Aussies 2. 

If cricket was played on a computer, the Aussies would edge it all the time. 
Luckily it’s played on grass but the toss of a coin before the match even starts could determine the outcome. 
That’s cricket.

Aye and its only fair to consider our test record before 'bazball'

Theres a clear suggestion from some negative twats that its a choice between winning dour cricket and losing expansive cricket

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

17 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not sure about that- England traditionally has good test crowds.

Sky money too.

No doubt it has become an opportunity to extent the footy season though for some.

Marc is spot on, watching the videos from boby the barmy army seem able to moderate the language/behaviour which footy lads can't. 

Exactly

Test cricket in England will nearly always sell out