June 17, 20224 yr Is there a course or is it just straight to 6 points? The single most annoying part is that I wasn't even on the phone. I was stationary, literally passing it to the lad I work with as we'd had a missed call. Even showed them my call log. Specifically making sure I wasn't on the phone while driving. In my had is enough though, Cunts
June 17, 20224 yr Pretty sure courses rather than points is for speeding only. If you weren't actually on your phone then Shirley there is grounds for an appeal? I found this after a very quick google... I wasn’t using my phone whilst driving – how can I challenge the offence? If you do not believe you committed the offence in which the police allege, you have the right to have your case referred to the Magistrates Court to deal with. You would then have the opportunity to challenge the case at court. The prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were actually driving and using the phone. For example, a police officer will give evidence to say that he or she seen you driving whilst holding a mobile phone up to your ear. The key to cases of this nature if to put some doubt in the mind of the Court to try and obtain a guilty verdict. We can also obtain your call records from your telephone provider to prove you were not making or receiving a call. If the prosecution think that they may not succeed with a mobile phone offence they can always lay an alternative charge of not being in proper control of a vehicle. In addition, in cases where the police think you are being distracted by a device whilst you are driving but you are not touching the device, you could still be stopped and prosecuted for not being in proper control of your vehicle. This offence carries a lesser penalty of 3 penalty points and a £100 fine. Depending on the circumstances of your particular case, the prosecution may also be willing to lay this alternative charge, which in turn would result in a lesser penalty and even avoid a disqualification from driving.
June 17, 20224 yr I thought it had changed recently but according to this, need to be using the phone interactively. being stationary doesn’t matter, can still be deemed as driving check it out and see if it’s worth challenging , someone got away with using it as a video because that’s not deemed interactive. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic-mobile-phones
June 17, 20224 yr Author I've asked Giffgaff for my offical call logs. Nobheads. Actively going out of my way not to do what theyve done me for. Utter Nobheads
June 17, 20224 yr Unfortunately Baz, I think they will get you on something but maybe the lesser one from the info above
June 17, 20224 yr 9 minutes ago, barryk32 said: I've asked Giffgaff for my offical call logs. Nobheads. Actively going out of my way not to do what theyve done me for. Utter Nobheads its nothing to do with making a call. Logs will prove nothing. In the text of the SI, the meaning of ‘using’ a phone will be expanded to cover the following: Illuminating the screen. Checking the time. Checking notifications. Unlocking the device. Making, receiving, or rejecting a telephone or internet-based call. Sending, receiving or uploading oral or written content. Sending, receiving or uploading a photo or video. Utilising camera, video, or sound recording. Drafting any text. Accessing any stored data such as documents, books, audio files, photos, videos, films, playlists, notes or messages. Accessing an app. Accessing the internet. Glancing at who the missed call was from, whilst in your hand is enough. It being in your hand is enough in all probability.
June 17, 20224 yr Author 2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: its nothing to do with making a call. Logs will prove nothing. In the text of the SI, the meaning of ‘using’ a phone will be expanded to cover the following: Illuminating the screen. Checking the time. Checking notifications. Unlocking the device. Making, receiving, or rejecting a telephone or internet-based call. Sending, receiving or uploading oral or written content. Sending, receiving or uploading a photo or video. Utilising camera, video, or sound recording. Drafting any text. Accessing any stored data such as documents, books, audio files, photos, videos, films, playlists, notes or messages. Accessing an app. Accessing the internet. Glancing at who the missed call was from, whilst in your hand is enough. It being in your hand is enough in all probability. Missed call was from much earlier. It wasn't recent. It was a case of "we missed a call earlier pal, give them a bell back" - Hands phone over to colleague. They say it was in my hand tough shit.
June 17, 20224 yr 31 minutes ago, barryk32 said: Missed call was from much earlier. It wasn't recent. It was a case of "we missed a call earlier pal, give them a bell back" - Hands phone over to colleague. They say it was in my hand tough shit. How the fuck did they spot that? Did you fly it over to him like an aeroplane, like you were spoon-feeding a toddler? Edited June 17, 20224 yr by Cheese
June 17, 20224 yr Author 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: How the fuck did they spot that? Did you fly it over to him like an aeroplane, like you were spoon-feeding a toddler? It was held aloft for 5 - 10 seconds, as he was fucking about with something else
June 17, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said: its nothing to do with making a call. Logs will prove nothing. In the text of the SI, the meaning of ‘using’ a phone will be expanded to cover the following: Illuminating the screen. Checking the time. Checking notifications. Unlocking the device. Making, receiving, or rejecting a telephone or internet-based call. Sending, receiving or uploading oral or written content. Sending, receiving or uploading a photo or video. Utilising camera, video, or sound recording. Drafting any text. Accessing any stored data such as documents, books, audio files, photos, videos, films, playlists, notes or messages. Accessing an app. Accessing the internet. Glancing at who the missed call was from, whilst in your hand is enough. It being in your hand is enough in all probability. Fkinell I can do the majority of that a lot easier/safer than I can working the vehicles media system Edited June 17, 20224 yr by royal white
June 17, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, DazBob said: Pretty sure courses rather than points is for speeding only. If you weren't actually on your phone then Shirley there is grounds for an appeal? I found this after a very quick google... I wasn’t using my phone whilst driving – how can I challenge the offence? If you do not believe you committed the offence in which the police allege, you have the right to have your case referred to the Magistrates Court to deal with. You would then have the opportunity to challenge the case at court. The prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you were actually driving and using the phone. For example, a police officer will give evidence to say that he or she seen you driving whilst holding a mobile phone up to your ear. The key to cases of this nature if to put some doubt in the mind of the Court to try and obtain a guilty verdict. We can also obtain your call records from your telephone provider to prove you were not making or receiving a call. If the prosecution think that they may not succeed with a mobile phone offence they can always lay an alternative charge of not being in proper control of a vehicle. In addition, in cases where the police think you are being distracted by a device whilst you are driving but you are not touching the device, you could still be stopped and prosecuted for not being in proper control of your vehicle. This offence carries a lesser penalty of 3 penalty points and a £100 fine. Depending on the circumstances of your particular case, the prosecution may also be willing to lay this alternative charge, which in turn would result in a lesser penalty and even avoid a disqualification from driving. Shouldn't be driving at all if you're eyesight is that shit.
June 17, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, barryk32 said: Like that but with one hand and across the cab You're fucked.
June 17, 20224 yr 58 minutes ago, royal white said: Fkinell I can do the majority of that a lot easier/safer than I can working the vehicles media system Same. I’ve have my phone in a holder clipped into an air vent. Makes me wonder if I could get done for touching the phone in that as the media system is a fucker to work
June 17, 20224 yr Meanwhile, some folk are driving all over the fucking road trying to eat a Big Mac and spilling fries across the car whilst trying to stab a straw into their Fanta, but that’s ok.
June 17, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Meanwhile, some folk are driving all over the fucking road trying to eat a Big Mac and spilling fries across the car whilst trying to stab a straw into their Fanta, but that’s ok. Coppers have to eat at some point during their shift?
June 17, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Coppers have to eat at some point during their shift? If it wasn't true it would be fuckin funny!
June 17, 20224 yr There's no course as an alternative so it's a choice between taking what they give you or fighting it. I'm not sure if pepipoo have advice on this as well as speeding but you might even be able to say you were passing a mars bar over to the passenger if there's no evidence otherwise. Expect cost ends up being the deciding factor overall.
June 17, 20224 yr 5 hours ago, barryk32 said: Is there a course or is it just straight to 6 points? The single most annoying part is that I wasn't even on the phone. I was stationary, literally passing it to the lad I work with as we'd had a missed call. Even showed them my call log. Specifically making sure I wasn't on the phone while driving. In my had is enough though, Cunts Pay up and move on
June 17, 20224 yr 4 hours ago, royal white said: Fkinell I can do the majority of that a lot easier/safer than I can working the vehicles media system Quite. I mean adjusting air con in the current weather means you take your eyes off the road for a brief bit. Even the sat-nav shouting some instruction that's wrong or confusing grabs your attention.
June 17, 20224 yr If you plough into the back of someone because you checked your phone I'm 💯 sure they'd be able to do you. If you prove you didn't unlock your phone whilst you passed it to van lad you'll be alright. Pigs probably know you can't do either... Nice little earner. Imagine being a copper. Getting joy out of fining the general public but not actually getting a financial benefit from it. You'd be better in recruitment... 🤣
June 17, 20224 yr The irony is that if you had it linked to Bluetooth you’d have probably done a lot more twatting about but not broken any way. That said, the recent rule change about even touching your phone while driving was fairly clear IMO. Although it seems to have made fuck all difference judging by the amount of people I saw holding the phone to their ear or, worse still, texting at 70mph on the A55 earlier.
June 17, 20224 yr Never understand when you see these wankers in 30/40/50 grand Mercs or Audi's with their phone to their ear. It's a car that will clearly have Bluetooth so no reason for it. Can only assume its a hire car or "borrowed".
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