Meanwhile In England

[Spider]

13 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There are plenty of regular churchgoers who are very disappointed with it

But besides, I'm not sure who it's supposed to convince

Who is this demographic of people in "marginalised communities" who don't attend church but might be convinced to attend church on the basis of some very, very safe slogans pretend graffittied inside the church building?

It seems incredibly cringe (and more than a bit patronising)

They are free to do as they please.

Thanks to the freedom warriors, we can all do whatever we like. Some stickers on a wall should be applauded 

[Not in Crawley]

14 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There are plenty of regular churchgoers who are very disappointed with it

But besides, I'm not sure who it's supposed to convince

Who is this demographic of people in "marginalised communities" who don't attend church but might be convinced to attend church on the basis of some very, very safe slogans pretend graffittied inside the church building?

It seems incredibly cringe (and more than a bit patronising)

The idea comes from the fact the cathedral is covered in graffiti anyway - they do tours of the historic graffiti. Its a decent tour if you are ever in the area, shines a light on ordinary lives when you can get caught up in the history of the large names - and its from that, giving some for or artistic voice to to ordinary in a place that normally can forget it and to show that its not just a place of horstory but a modern developing space.

Art isnt about convincing anyone, you've grabbed the wrong end of the crozier on that one.

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The idea comes from the fact the cathedral is covered in graffiti anyway - they do tours of the historic graffiti. Its a decent tour if you are ever in the area, shines a light on ordinary lives when you can get caught up in the history of the large names - and its from that, giving some for or artistic voice to to ordinary in a place that normally can forget it and to show that its not just a place of horstory but a modern developing space.

Art isnt about convincing anyone, you've grabbed the wrong end of the crozier on that one.

[Spider]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

The idea comes from the fact the cathedral is covered in graffiti anyway - they do tours of the historic graffiti. Its a decent tour if you are ever in the area, shines a light on ordinary lives when you can get caught up in the history of the large names - and its from that, giving some for or artistic voice to to ordinary in a place that normally can forget it and to show that its not just a place of horstory but a modern developing space.

Art isnt about convincing anyone, you've grabbed the wrong end of the crozier on that one.

The folk getting all snowflakey about it almost certainly think art begins and ends with Sunflowers.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Art isnt about convincing anyone, you've grabbed the wrong end of the crozier on that one.

Well, I'm going of you referring to Christians wanting to increase attendances in your initial post

Presumably you think that's at least part of the motivation?

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Well, I'm going of you referring to Christians wanting to increase attendances in your initial post

Presumably you think that's at least part of the motivation?

Indeed by being part of the conversation- by trying new things, getting in the news for positive things rather than just being seen as an old and fusty institution who isnt trying to engage with modernity.

Anyway, personally I think its a good idea with the right intentions and I think they knew it would stir up some reactions. 

But yes worth doing the historic graffiti tour if you're down this way.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

Indeed by being part of the conversation- by trying new things, getting in the news for positive things rather than just being seen as an old and fusty institution who isnt trying to engage with modernity.

Anyway, personally I think its a good idea with the right intentions and I think they knew it would stir up some reactions. 

But yes worth doing the historic graffiti tour if you're down this way.

 

Right, so this particular art installation is to convince then

I'm not sure it's really a choice between this and being seen as an old and fusty institution - if anything, the installation itself makes the institution appear old and fusty because it comes across as an out-of-touch, middle-class attempt to appeal to people they don't really understand

[Not in Crawley]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Right, so this particular art installation is to convince then

I'm not sure it's really a choice between this and being seen as an old and fusty institution - if anything, the installation itself makes the institution appear old and fusty because it comes across as an out-of-touch, middle-class attempt to appeal to people they don't really understand

No, it about relevance and commincation not 'convincing' as you keep wrongly putting it.

Why do you think its out of touch? Its involved people, the churchnitself has included dissenting voices as it wants to open up debate.

You might not like it, you might think its cringeworthy but im glad its prodded a provocation from you.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

41 minutes ago, Spider said:

They are free to do as they please.

Thanks to the freedom warriors, we can all do whatever we like. Some stickers on a wall should be applauded 

Those very same patrons are also at liberty to say fuck this, and stop going.

I wonder what level of discussion/agreement was sought before it was undertaken?

They may have shot themselves in the foot.

As you say, they can do what they want, and people can discuss it accordingly.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

No, it about relevance and commincation not 'convincing' as you keep wrongly putting it.

Why do you think its out of touch? Its involved people, the churchnitself has included dissenting voices as it wants to open up debate.

You might not like it, you might think its cringeworthy but im glad its prodded a provocation from you.

 

Convince, communicate, persuade, encourage

Call it what you like, there is a clear hope and motivation that the graffiti will bring people to the faith and increase church attendance

You acknowledged as much in your initial post

It's out of touch because the messages are extremely safe and the kind of questions the church and those of faith have been asking for some time, the only provocative nature is the fact that they've been plastered within the walls of the church in a mock graffiti style, and I expect that provocation is largely incidental

It's very much in keeping with the "How do you do, fellow kids?" approach that has failed previously, except this time in a way that just pisses off a section of their own congregation that bit more

[Spider]

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Those very same patrons are also at liberty to say fuck this, and stop going.

I wonder what level of discussion/agreement was sought before it was undertaken?

They may have shot themselves in the foot.

As you say, they can do what they want, and people can discuss it accordingly.

 

I know who look the bigger snowflakes ❄️ 

[royal white]

Meanwhile in Tonge Moor

Edited October 12, 2025 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

17 hours ago, royal white said:

Yep all that’s makes sense for a march in London 🤪🤪

Ahhh yeah

something has to be happening in this country for there to be a protest about it.

Sorry I forgot about that rule 😂

[London Wanderer]

17 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Go to bed you wet fart

excellent. you're good at discussing things aren't you.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ahhh yeah

something has to be happening in this country for there to be a protest about it.

Sorry I forgot about that rule 😂

“Palestine still doesn’t have a state”

Starmer has acknowledged that and wants them to have one. 

A cease fire has been agreed

I know let’s go and march through London. 
 

Fkin idiots the lot of them.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

“Palestine still doesn’t have a state”

Starmer has acknowledged that and wants them to have one. 

A cease fire has been agreed

I know let’s go and march through London. 
 

Fkin idiots the lot of them.

Got their ceasefire. 

Now the true colours are revealed.

If they can't accept Israel's right to exist, then they are more than welcome to go and live in Gaza, Iran or Syria for example.

Join their fellow antisemites. 

We could even have a bit of a whip round for a one way ticket.

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

If they can't accept Israel's right to exist,

Israel does exist

Palestine doesn't

And until that changes or a proper plan for statehood emerges, then some people will protest,

Edited October 12, 2025 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

38 minutes ago, royal white said:

“Palestine still doesn’t have a state”

Starmer has acknowledged that and wants them to have one. 

A cease fire has been agreed

I know let’s go and march through London. 
 

Fkin idiots the lot of them.

Ahhhh so Starmer said they should have a state...Right everyone, let's not protest anymore 😂

You sound like Charlie Veitch sometimes. 

Starmer said there should be a ceasefire ages ago and people still protested.

Yes there are some idiots on these marches with dodgy ideologies, but your logic for them not protesting is a bit odd. Until Palestine is allowed to exist, people will protest across the world.

Big protests before and during the Israel game in Norway as well.

If Israel didn't have a state would you be bothered about people protesting for their right to exist?

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ahhhh so Starmer said they should have a state...Right everyone, let's not protest anymore 😂

You sound like Charlie Veitch sometimes. 

Starmer said there should be a ceasefire ages ago and people still protested.

Yes there are some idiots on these marches with dodgy ideologies, but your logic for them not protesting is a bit odd. Until Palestine is allowed to exist, people will protest across the world.

Big protests before and during the Israel game in Norway as well.

If Israel didn't have a state would you be bothered about people protesting for their right to exist?

Aghh right so just keep Protesting until they run out of things to protest about? I’ll say it again, there’s a ceasefire so why are they protesting for a ceasefire? 
 

Starmer has said they should have their own state so when the fuck are they protesting outside his house? What can he do? 
 

And what the fuck are ch4 news on about 500k protestors 🤦🏻

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Aghh right so just keep Protesting until they run out of things to protest about? I’ll say it again, there’s a ceasefire so why are they protesting for a ceasefire? 
 

The director of the group who organised the demo has literally come out and said they were protesting for lasting peace and freedom for Palestine.

Nobody has run out of reasons. That Palestine doesn't exist and is still under occupation is a fairly important reason. Would you not agree ?

[Zico]

23 minutes ago, royal white said:

Aghh right so just keep Protesting until they run out of things to protest about?

they will never run of out of something to protest about

there's always something

[royal white]

26 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

The director of the group who organised the demo has literally come out and said they were protesting for lasting peace and freedom for Palestine.

Nobody has run out of reasons. That Palestine doesn't exist and is still under occupation is a fairly important reason. Would you not agree ?

So how will that be achieved by walking through London? 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

23 minutes ago, Zico said:

they will never run of out of something to protest about

there's always something

This is true

For many, it's a hobby

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

This is true

For many, it's a hobby

I can't think of anything worse than spending every Saturday marching up a street. No idea how these people do it.

I'd rather play bowls. 

[royal white]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

I can't think of anything worse than spending every Saturday marching up a street. No idea how these people do it.

I'd rather play bowls. 

I told you why above. Because they’re fkin idiots