Barnsley (A)

[burnden]

What was going on in our end when all the stewards ran in near the end of the game?

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, Stig said:

You posted mid game it was a strange line and formation. I thought it was exactly the same formation we've generally settled into in the last 6 or so games i.e. 532. And we only switched to 4231 after 20 mins when we were getting battered.

And the line up was only 1 player different to last game.

Your last point in this post is more valid - SS has a limited squad he can't do much with. Next season is the one

Today was 442 to start

I am of the opinion that theres no way forino and santos are a central 2 and have posted as much previously

[paulhanley]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We just can't handle any kind of physicality.

That's what today boiled down to.

Again I look at another teams forward in Humphries and think he's exactly what we need. There's no reason we couldn't have signed him. 

They did a job on us and booted us off the park. We wilt like flowers.

Rinse and repeat. 

This has been the case for years now. No physicality, no pace, no on-pitch leadership. Basic stuff. I think SS knows this. The change has to be root and branch and I suspect we will open to reasonable bids for a good few of those under contract. 

[Casino]

And anyway, why change anything after Tuesday was the point

[London Wanderer]

48 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

For those slagging off SS, you are barking up the wrong tree. We can only even get in to the foothills of judging the guy after he has had a transfer window. He has been dealt a talented but very one-dimensional squad. I think he is cut from a very different cloth to Evatt and we will start seeing that from the soon in to next season. 

None of that is consolation to the 3000 who turned out today and watched a lame performance from the current squad. There are one or two on run-down period in there. They know they are going.

You’re spot on. 
 

I don’t think anyone is really suggesting he’s not up to it or making full judgement yet. But I also think folk are entitled to be disappointed in SS’s start if we end up worse off than where we were. I think his interview earlier shows there is some acceptance that the players aren’t up to it. But it might be enough to motivate them for the next few games.

[gonzo]

I just think SS is trying everything he can to see who can go where, who's adaptable, which systems work and who needs to fuck off.

Hopefully he's gathered all the info he needs on the intelligence and character of our set of fannies.

[Stig]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Today was 442 to start

I am of the opinion that theres no way forino and santos are a central 2 and have posted as much previously

No it was a 532 to start. When Baxter went down for the team talk break at about 20 mins in, when we were already 1 down, SS switched it to 4231.

[Casino]

Just now, Stig said:

No it was a 532 to start. When Baxter went down for the team talk break at about 20 mins in, when we were already 1 down, SS switched it to 4231.

Not what I saw

GJ was left back

 

[Ratwhite]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I just think SS is trying everything he can to see who can go where, who's adaptable, which systems work and who needs to fuck off.

Hopefully he's gathered all the info he needs on the intelligence and character of our set of fannies.

100% this

Hes got an extra month now to plan for L1 next season. More so now with the Morley injury.

Santos didn’t look anywhere near fit. (needs must). This season is a fuck it now season. 

We go again next year

[Stig]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Not what I saw

GJ was left back

 

He was... After SS switched it at 20 mins. Then hooked him 15 mins later as he's not a proper left back.

The first 20 mins was a 5 at the back getting exposed by a front 3 on their game.

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Stig said:

He was... After SS switched it at 20 mins. Then hooked him 15 mins later as he's not a proper left back.

The first 20 mins was a 5 at the back getting exposed by a front 3 on their game.

Aye deffo started as a 3. Changed like you say after the Baxter mince-a-bout.

[desperado]

20 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I just think SS is trying everything he can to see who can go where, who's adaptable, which systems work and who needs to fuck off.

Hopefully he's gathered all the info he needs on the intelligence and character of our set of fannies.

He’ll have learnt more today about the players than he has in the previous 3 months 

Edited April 12, 2025 by desperado

[DaveTheRave]

Not a good day with that result and injuries. They dominated the first half but Collins and McAtee both missed decent chances.

Second half we improved slightly but still nowhere near good enough.

Very disappointed. 

[TroySwoosh]

1 hour ago, desperado said:

Disappointing from you.

It comes across as if you've been chomping at the bit to make this post as the only real dissenter of SS being appointed 

nope, was hoping he'd prove me wrong (he still might), but what I've been watching lately is worse than under evatt. I want to come out and say, ok fair enough, he's doing a good job but at the moment he isn't.

Yet I'm still hoping we might get into the play-offs!

[thebells]

34 minutes ago, woolli said:

We all say a rebuild is needed, but its not that easy! Cant see the board giving SS the money that Evatt spunked. Tough times ahead i think.

He has money to spend this summer. 

[Greg_BWFC]

12 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

This has been the case for years now. No physicality, no pace, no on-pitch leadership. Basic stuff. I think SS knows this. The change has to be root and branch and I suspect we will open to reasonable bids for a good few of those under contract. 

Been boring folk to death about this for a while. Think football at this level is fairly straightforward and there's no real need to overthink things.

Strength and pace do matter a lot.

Hope Schumacher sorts that out for next season.

[Greg_BWFC]

3 minutes ago, thebells said:

He has money to spend this summer. 

I know you've mentioned a few times about the folk behind the scenes ready to stick money in.

Someone else a couple of weeks ago mentioned its easier at this level to spend than in division 2, something to do with how ffp works 🤷‍♂️.

Maybe they'd be better shoving some money in this summer and having a go at it.

(Think the amount we spent this year was a lot for us mind, just a shame who was spending it 😒)

[gonzo]

We are in the same league position that Evatt would've had us. 

He was right about the players.

He caused it all. He recruited them and allowed a wank mentality to manifest itself into a near impossible to shift thick as pig shit, weak as piss culture amongst the players.

The signs are there that SS is prepared to do what it takes to change it. But fuck me it's going to take time and loads of fucking money.

[desperado]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

But fuck me it's going to take time and loads of fucking money.

No it's not.

We shouldn't be looking at this realistically.

Aparrently we should all be of the opinion that SS should get automatic promotion from L1 next season and if he doesn't he gets potted. 

[ianofcleveleys]

9 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We are in the same league position that Evatt would've had us. 

He was right about the players.

He caused it all. He recruited them and allowed a wank mentality to manifest itself into a near impossible to shift thick as pig shit, weak as piss culture amongst the players.

The signs are there that SS is prepared to do what it takes to change it. But fuck me it's going to take time and loads of fucking money.

Spot on. I remember a few weeks back saying I'd cut SS plenty of slack based on the shitshow of a squad he'd inherited with zero scope to change any of it this season.

It doesn't really matter if he lines this lot up in a 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or 4-6-0, their skillset, deficiencies and mentality are the same. It's also not the big clearout quick fix folk might think

[Dimron]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

We are in the same league position that Evatt would've had us. 

He was right about the players.

He caused it all. He recruited them and allowed a wank mentality to manifest itself into a near impossible to shift thick as pig shit, weak as piss culture amongst the players.

The signs are there that SS is prepared to do what it takes to change it. But fuck me it's going to take time and loads of fucking money.

allowed a wank mentality to manifest itself into a near impossible to shift thick as pig shit, weak as piss culture amongst the players.

Hopefully he can identify the players who are injecting this negativity into the dressing room and fuck them off, it only takes one or two bad 'uns to create this sort of thing

[Eddie]

Thing is, we’ve all seen that each of them can perform, so there’s always an argument to say that we should keep x or y player because of how good they ‘can’ be. Over a sustained period though, despite odd results like Brum at home, they’ve proven that they’re just not up to it - some in terms of quality, most in terms of attitude, mental strength and physicality.

Someone said before that they wouldn’t be arsed if any one of them left. I can’t say I’d lose sleep if any left but there are some that I think are worth keeping (and clearly he’s not going to get rid of every player).

Definitely keep:

Baxter, Forrester, Morley, Collins

Probably keep but you’re part of the squad and not first 11:

Southwood, Cogley, Forino, Sheehan, Dempsey, Tutu

The rest can absolutely fuck off. It needs a proper clear out, new methods, new mentality, physicality, leaders, and most importantly SS’s men.

[Stig]

10 minutes ago, desperado said:

No it's not.

We shouldn't be looking at this realistically.

Aparrently we should all be of the opinion that SS should get automatic promotion from L1 next season and if he doesn't he gets potted. 

I agree but there's a happy medium. We indulged Evatt far too long and allowed him to decimate the squad to this level.

I'll start judging SS next season with the expectation being promotion. Doesn't mean he'll be sacked if we don't get it next season as long as we can see what he's trying to do

Edited April 12, 2025 by Stig

[Casino]

1 minute ago, Eddie said:

Thing is, we’ve all seen that each of them can perform, so there’s always an argument to say that we should keep x or y player because of how good they ‘can’ be. Over a sustained period though, despite odd results like Brum at home, they’ve proven that they’re just not up to it - some in terms of quality, most in terms of attitude, mental strength and physicality.

Someone said before that they wouldn’t be arsed if any one of them left. I can’t say I’d lose sleep if any left but there are some that I think are worth keeping (and clearly he’s not going to get rid of every player).

Definitely keep:

Baxter, Forrester, Morley, Collins

Probably keep but you’re part of the squad and not first 11:

Southwood, Cogley, Forino, Sheehan, Dempsey, Tutu

The rest can absolutely fuck off. It needs a proper clear out, new methods, new mentality, physicality, leaders, and most importantly SS’s men.

The defence will be built around Forino, imo

Forrrster is a level down, I reckon

[desperado]

Just now, Stig said:

A agree but there's a happy medium. We indulged Evatt far too long and allowed him to decimate the squad to this level.

I'll start judging SS next season with the expectation being promotion. Doesn't mean he'll be sacked if we don't get it next season as long as we can see what he's trying to do

Agree with this.

But there were some saying 2nd minimum or goodbye. 

Regardless.

No context

Not even promotion through the play-offs.