Barnsley (A)

[gonzo]

August seems a long long way away

 

 

[Bertie]

Santos was no worse than many others today.  What’s not changed though is his awful body language when something goes tits up.  A shrug of his shoulders, arms out etc.  No responsibility. No anger.  No motivation.  Madness he was ever skipper. We’re crying out for someone who is raging when we concede or make mistakes or miss chances or drop the intensity. We’re crying out for leaders on the pitch. 

[worthy10]

1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

And except Birmingham most of those teams will still be in our league the season after next.

I know we should say this of any player, but GT gives absolutely everything, every time. But for all of that, he is clumsy and crude. I think mid table div 1 is the peak of his level IMHO

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, desperado said:

Where have I said that?

There's players I like, I think Schumacher is (or has been up until today!) getting a better tune out of them than Evatt.

But I think you're mistaking the fact that I don't come on here and slag them off.

..And my loyalty in following them home and away.

.. And my hope that we can still squeeze into the play-offs

..as some kind of verification that "all the players are quality so it should be a piece of piss"

I think we just have a vastly different perspective of what supporting BWFC is all about. 

 

 

You're conflating top fan bollocks with what's going on on the pitch. It's got fuck all to do with how many aways you go to, what you hope or what your 'perspective of supporting BWFC is all about'. 

Next season will be our fifth in League One. It'll be the fourth where we have one of the top wage budgets in the league and the fourth where the explicit target has been promotion. For the past three years teams who've spent less will have gone up above us.

At some point, the club as a whole actually has to hold itself to its stated goals. Schumacher is here to deliver promotion and to do it quickly. It's not entitlement to expect that it happens.

Number of full seasons in L1 it's taken managers to get their club promoted in recent years - Birmingham (1), Wrexham (1) or Wycombe (0). Portsmouth (1), Derby (1), Oxford (0). Plymouth (1), Ipswich (1), Sheffield Wednesday (2). Wigan (1), Rotherham (1), Sunderland (0).

Of course if we finish next season on 90 odd points, come third and lose a game like Rotherham in the playoffs I'll think SS should get another crack. But we could finish 6th and you'll be here twatting on about how the real meaning of supporting BWFC is being happy with your lot because we won the odd game in the third tier.

[worthy10]

1 hour ago, woolli said:

Now, if i would of said, i would have been fuckin slated, " how do you know that? proof? and Blah blah blah, so, you much be Sharons side kick for the inside knowledge? I hope you are right, having money to spend doesnt give any indication of how much? 

Declaring the budget is never a good move...

[Stig]

57 minutes ago, Ani said:

SS getting away very lightly today. I wanted him as manager and I still do but he put that team out today and it was not at the races. 
 

The triple substitution felt like panic but how changing 2 full backs for 2 lesser full backs was going to change the game is beyond me. I get he is hamstrung by the IE transfer dealings but today was a massive step to nowhere. 

Agree on the team, but he doesn't have many options. However, on the subbing the fullbacks: Cogley and Johnston are makeshift fullbacks and were getting terrorised by Humphreys and Jalo. Cogley was getting beat for strength and Johnston was getting beat by pace and trickery.

Was definitely the right call to sub them both off for proper full backs in Jones and Murphy.

We actually got on top then for the rest of the first half and first 30mins seconds half because Barnsley couldn't exploit the wide forward outball. 

However, as I've previously said Jones and Murphy aren't good enough for where we want to get to, but they were miles better than Cogley and Johnston trying to be full backs for 15 mins in the first half.

[Dr. Feelgood]

5 minutes ago, Stig said:

... as I've previously said Jones and Murphy aren't good enough for where we want to get to, but they were miles better than Cogley and Johnston trying to be full backs for 15 mins in the first half.

I can't comment as I've seen nowt of it & I'll not be catching up either.

But, however correct you are, let's not now start slagging Cogley off. He's been a stalwart in this stop-start season and as solid a player as we could ask.

[DaisyHWanderer]

Murphy looked to be limping from when tutu went off

[Stig]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I can't comment as I've seen nowt of it & I'll not be catching up either.

But, however correct you are, let's not now start slagging Cogley off. He's been a stalwart in this stop-start season and as solid a player as we could ask.

I'm not slagging Cogley (or Johnston) off. They're just not full backs. Cogley is a wing back - he's way too lightweight to deal with strong forward like we saw today, and Johnston is a centre back - he had no mobility to cope with a pacy winger.

I agree Cogley has been one of our better players since SS has come in, but I also don't think we will be playing wing backs next season so I don't see him featuring.

[only1swanny]

10 minutes ago, DaisyHWanderer said:

Murphy looked to be limping from when tutu went off

When he ran the ball out, one of their players came in hard after the whistle blew, was hobbling after that. 

[CambridgeBWFC]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

SS getting away very lightly today. I wanted him as manager and I still do but he put that team out today and it was not at the races. 
 

The triple substitution felt like panic but how changing 2 full backs for 2 lesser full backs was going to change the game is beyond me. I get he is hamstrung by the IE transfer dealings but today was a massive step to nowhere. 

Completely agree, too much criticism of evatt and the squad, but SS has had time, yet we are still being served the same shit.

I don't want rid, i like him and will stick by him, i was one of the last to want rid of Evatt,  but the buck still lies with him.

We need new players, that is clear, but a full clear out isn't necessary as we have some quality, he just needs to decide on his way play and stick with it, then build a team to deliver it better. We have seen what he can do, but we have then seen shit teams/formations that have been as bad, if not worse, than evatts tenure, and that is a concern. 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Previously thought a tinker and a 2/3 signings would sort the job but think Schumacher needs to break this team up, for me the only player mentally tough enough to cope is Dempsey…. Any other player in this squad can go if there’s any interest. Seriously pissed off with these weak minded performances. 

[desperado]

47 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

Of course if we finish next season on 90 odd points, come third and lose a game like Rotherham in the playoffs I'll think SS should get another crack.

That’s progress from earlier this week.

Glad you’re listening and learning 😀

[onefinfrandsen]

14 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Previously thought a tinker and a 2/3 signings would sort the job but think Schumacher needs to break this team up, for me the only player mentally tough enough to cope is Dempsey…. Any other player in this squad can go if there’s any interest. Seriously pissed off with these weak minded performances. 

Make him captain, and build the team around him

[TM Trotter]

1 hour ago, Wanderlust said:

Bullshit. Markham was in charge of recruitment.

Markham was Sporting Director. He scouted the players, negotiated the deals and signed the contracts.

But you are correct in saying Evatt was right in his assessment of the players he was landed with.

You're suggesting a narcissist like Evatt didn't have a strong, if not final, say on players who were signed? 

Come off it. 

Both are gone, just like promotion. I'm looking forward to seeing the work done over the summer. 

[Bertie]

Just a watched the highlights.  We do give away some shocking goals. Terrible defending all round for all 4. 

[ianofcleveleys]

28 minutes ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Completely agree, too much criticism of evatt and the squad, but SS has had time, yet we are still being served the same shit.

I don't want rid, i like him and will stick by him, i was one of the last to want rid of Evatt,  but the buck still lies with him.

We need new players, that is clear, but a full clear out isn't necessary as we have some quality, he just needs to decide on his way play and stick with it, then build a team to deliver it better. We have seen what he can do, but we have then seen shit teams/formations that have been as bad, if not worse, than evatts tenure, and that is a concern. 

 

Whether a full clear out is necessary or not, it won't be straightforward as SS is stuck with half of them whether he likes them or not. 

He's a attempting to polish a big rancid turd with this piss weak airy fairy squad. While I'd have liked him to go with a 4 at the back and stick with it his options have been limited, and he's zero alternative to Collins and McAtee who haven't been a front two in the memory of man

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Prove it.

I'm not really interested in proving it or whether you believe me

I just know that you're wrong

[Spider]

Went today

It was fucking dogshite

Left as the third went in.

Hope Morley’s ok.

Season over.

cricket season up and running so that’ll do until august.

 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, worthy10 said:

I know we should say this of any player, but GT gives absolutely everything, every time. But for all of that, he is clumsy and crude. I think mid table div 1 is the peak of his level IMHO

The fact we can’t speaks fucking volumes.

I can’t think of a season where we’ve had players shit out of tackle regularly, actively and deliberately avoid heading the ball (aye, I know I’m obsessed with that weird beard fucker and his lack of connecting with his napper). 
 

You absolutely can be a bit shit but the very least we should expect is 100%. 
 

That we can no longer be sure of that fucking stinks. 

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, L/H White said:

this set of players have to many battle scars 

clear out needed 

another 3 years + in this league yet

First two lines correct. We'll go up next season.

SS experienced the new manager 'bounce' for a few games. Now he has to bounce a good few out of the club and build his own squad.

KTF.

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, worthy10 said:

I know we should say this of any player, but GT gives absolutely everything, every time. But for all of that, he is clumsy and crude. I think mid table div 1 is the peak of his level IMHO

And I’d rather have 11 GTs than 11 Sheehans or McAtees every day. 

[Wanderlust]

19 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not really interested in proving it or whether you believe me

I just know that you're wrong

You may believe I’m wrong but you clearly don’t know anything about it, and yet you have an opinion - an opinion that has been echoed by many ill -informed people on tinternet. Fact is Managers serve Directors and when a Director’s role is specifically to recruit as in this case, it’s a stretch to lay the blame at anyone else’s door, especially to justify a personal grudge.

I’d be disappointed if Evatt hadn’t been allowed to have some input into recruitment but ultimately it wasn’t his money to spend and it wasn’t his decision who to spend it on.

Evatt has a wide unprofessional streak so it was no surprise then that once he knew he was gone, he publicly stated that the players weren’t good enough - which comes across as a backhanded swipe at Markham - and it looks like he was right seeing as SS is no better.

What we have is a massive headache for Sharon and the Board.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

4 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

You may believe I’m wrong but you clearly don’t know anything about it, and yet you have an opinion - an opinion that has been echoed by many ill -informed people on tinternet. Fact is Managers serve Directors and when a Director’s role is specifically to recruit as in this case, it’s a stretch to lay the blame at anyone else’s door, especially to justify a personal grudge.

On my part, it's not an opinion or a belief - I literally know that you're wrong

And your claim was that Evatt was simply given players to work with, a claim you're now beginning to roll back from

[gonzo]

It's what happens when you sign players based on data, analytics, pressing and running stats.

You get a collection of players that tickets boxes but are missing that bit of something you can't train or teach.

That bit of guile or situational awareness when it's like the alamo. That bit of aggression and bite when up against a unit like Humpries or 20 others who have bullied us.

That kind of shit comes from building a unit that can play a bit but covers the absolute basics and fundamentals. 

This league isn't about systems or pressing stats. It's about basics and smashing those basics. And having a big pair of bollocks to deal with cunts like Humpries etc putting it on you.

When Pakry had us up we had Wheater and Beevers. No fucker was bullying then and they didn't wilt or lose their minds when put under pressure.